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• 22 Jul 2007, 4:55 PM DP111 wrote:
  4,000 in UK trained at terror camps
  Correspondent, Sunday Telegraph
  Last Updated: 1:17am BST 15/07/2007
  
  Up to 4,000 Islamic extremists have attended terrorist training camps in Afghanistan before returning to Britain, security chiefs have revealed.
  'Dirty bomb' plotter Dhiren Barot
  
  
  
  The alarming figure raises fresh questions about UK border controls and the capacity of the intelligence and security services to keep the country safe.
  
  It demonstrates how Gordon Brown's plans for tighter checks on people entering Britain, unveiled last week, will come too late to keep out many dangerous individuals.
  
  Afghanistan was the centre for al-Qaeda terrorist training between 1996, when the Taliban regime came to power, and the end of 2001, when America and Britain invaded. Since then the focus has shifted to areas of Pakistan along the Afghan border.
  
  More than 400,000 journeys are made each year between Britain and Pakistan, the vast majority of them legitimate. It is not known how many travellers continue their journey overland into Afghanistan.
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  A senior security source said of the al-Qaeda camps: "There are 3,000 to 4,000 people who went from the UK to Afghanistan and came back. The important question is, where are they now?" The figure is more than double the estimate of 1,600 which MI5 gave last autumn for the number of individuals actively involved in plotting terrorist attacks in the UK.
  
  There are several possible explanations for the gap. Some of those who came back to Britain from Afghanistan may since have given up terrorist activities. Others may have left the UK to fight in Iraq.
  
  MI5 and MI6 are working on the assumption, however, that al-Qaeda sees its British Muslim recruits as too valuable to be used in Iraq, and that most are ordered to return to their communities in Britain to establish autonomous terrorist "sleeper cells". Concerns over sleeper cells have been heightened since the failed "doctors' plot" attacks in London and Glasgow two weeks ago.
  
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/15/nterr215.xml
  
  I would say atleast 200,000 "British" Moslims, or "Asians" as they are known as, can turn Jihadi at a moments notice.
  
  As you say gandalf, China missed a chance of getting rid of the RoPers but missed it.
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• 22 Jul 2007, 6:14 PM urban11 wrote:
  where are they now?
  Easy. mosques and benefit offices.
  (and "working" in the NHS and the MET.
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• 22 Jul 2007, 8:05 PM najistani wrote:
  Gandalf, just a moment. If China allowed it's bombheads to leave but didn't allow them to return, they would be stateless refugees. And where do you think they'd head for? Probably some country governed by bleeding heart liberals and treasonous marxists that would welcome them with open arms and welfare handouts.
  
  Can you think of any such country?
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  1. 22 Jul 2007, 9:29 PM Fred wrote:
     No! Ridiculous! Surely there is nobody crazy enough to take in house and pay thousands of jihadis and their families!
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     1. 22 Jul 2007, 11:46 PM DP111 wrote:
        Found a country
        
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=421230&in_page_id=1770&in_page_id=1770&expand=true#StartComments
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  2. 22 Jul 2007, 9:53 PM DP111 wrote:
     najistani
     Nope, cant think of any sane country.
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• 23 Jul 2007, 1:16 AM DP111 wrote:
  Read this
  
  China fights back
  
  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/china/article2116123.ece
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  1. 23 Jul 2007, 9:09 AM najistani wrote:
     The Chinese may have been a little over zealous, but their policy is right. It's impossible to reason with the moonloons and the only thing they understand is overwhelming force.
     
     Unfortunately the West has lost the will to deal with these savages in an effective way. The Chinese obviously don't have our hang-ups with post-colonial guilt.
     
     I think the moonloons are barking up the wrong tree in regarding America as the Great Satan. If anyone is going to stop the Scummah in their tracks it will be the Chinese.
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     1. 23 Jul 2007, 8:00 PM DP111 wrote:
        The Chineses are doing to the Muslims what Muslims have been doing to the rest of the world, including China, for the last 1400 years ie reducing their population and replacing them with Chinese, requiring their women to work etc.
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