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If Italy can do it - why can't we?
Please correct me if I am wrong but we are a member of the EU are we not?
As such the same laws apply to us as much as any other member state (supposedly)?
Accepting that "that is the case" why is it that Italy can eject unwanted people and we cannot?
The Italians are kicking out the Romanian Gypsies by the hundreds, why are we not doing the same to the thousands of illegal immigrants from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia and other such places.
Clearly there is no will on the part of our Government to take ANY kind of proactive action against these illegal immigrants
In Italy they are taking very positive action:-
from the article:-
Interior minister Roberto Maroni, also from the Northern League, is rushing out emergency laws to bring back passport checks on Italy's EU borders.This is despite Italy's membership of the EU's Schengen passport-free zone, raising the prospect of a showdown with Brussels.
The Italians are showing us it can be done, will it happen in the UK, not a chance in hell.
What does the EU say about this development:-
Last night EU spokesman Pietro Petrucci said: "The Schengen Agreement on free circulation is not modifiable today or tomorrow."To have it changed would need the approval of the member states at a full meeting with the European Parliament
Here is the article:-
Italy rounds up hundreds of illegal immigrants as vigilantes set fire to gipsy camps
Hundreds of illegal immigrants were arrested in a nationwide roundup in Italy yesterday, with dozens immediately deported.
The operation followed rising anxiety in Italy over the scale of illegal immigration, with tempers flaring in Naples where vigilantes set alight a Roma gypsy camp.
Silvio Berlusconi was elected to a third term as prime minister last week after promising to crack down on illegal immigrants who are blamed by many Italians for a rising crime rate.
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Xenophobia: The camp blazes after baby kidnap allegations against a Roma girl
In a massive police operation yesterday, police raided addresses stretching from Milan and Turin in the north, down to Rome and as far south as Naples.
A total of 268 foreigners were arrested, all illegal immigrants, according to Italian police who carried out the raids with the help of Romanian officers.
Most of the arrested were held for further checks and possible charges over crimes.
But 53 were immediately booted out after being put on planes to their home countries or taken to land borders.
Police said the raids were part of a crackdown on thefts, break-ins, drug dealing and prostitution which have jumped in recent months.
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Hostility: Italians shouting abuse at the gypsy camp
But there was no doubt it was under political orders from on high.
Those arrested came from Eastern Europe, Greece, North Africa and China.
The policeman in charge of the operation, Francesco Gratteri, told reporters that the sweep "wasn't aimed at any specific category or ethnic group. The sole objective were criminals who have caused a sensation of rising alarm in society".
He added: "If we can put a halt to this then we can stop crime snowballing out of control."
A lot of Italian concern focuses on "nomads" – the term they give to Roma gypsies, mainly from Romania and other Eastern European countries.
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Exit: A gypsy family is escorted from the scene by police
In Rome, police raided the biggest Roma camp and took away around 50 men for questioning. The arrests came during a visit by Cristian David, Interior Minister of Romania whose prime minister warned earlier this week that Italy's crackdown could cause "xenophobia" against other Romanians.
The arrests came as a survey published by Italian newspaper La Repubblica said 75 per cent of Italians thought "nomads" were "a problem".
Those questioned said the best way to deal with the problem was to "clear out gypsy camps and expel those found there".
Illegal Roma camps in Naples had to be evacuated by police this week after locals, angry at an suspected baby-snatching incident involving a 17-year-old Roma girl, set fire to their shacks after marching on the camps carrying banners and shouting: "You are all baby snatchers."
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Police block Naples locals from entering the evacuated Roma camp
The incident sparked warnings of "do-it-yourself justice", with Rome's chief policeman Carlo Mosca saying such behaviour was unacceptable and adding: "Foreigners are not the enemy."
But Milan's conservative deputy mayor, Riccardo de Corato, said the problem was "Italy has 700,000 illegal immigrants but carried out about 1,500 expulsions in 2007.
"The numbers speak for themselves.
"People who want to work are welcome in Milan, but if you want to beg, go and do it in Bucharest."
Umberto Bossi, Reform Minister and leader of Italy's anti-immigrant Northern League party, praised the police raids.
He said: "This dragnet is a positive move and what the people want. People want security and we have to give it to them."
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Roma residents gather before being evacuated to safety from their camp near Naples
He said of the events in Naples: "People do what the political class can't manage."
Interior minister Roberto Maroni, also from the Northern League, is rushing out emergency laws to bring back passport checks on Italy's EU borders.
This is despite Italy's membership of the EU's Schengen passport-free zone, raising the prospect of a showdown with Brussels.
Last night EU spokesman Pietro Petrucci said: "The Schengen Agreement on free circulation is not modifiable today or tomorrow.
"To have it changed would need the approval of the member states at a full meeting with the European Parliament.
"What is possible is for it to be temporarily suspended for 30 days for emergency reasons. As we have had no formal official details of Italy's proposals on Schengen we cannot really comment."
Far from deporting criminals or even terrorists, we have this
Afghan hijacker 'working at Heathrow'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1964930/Afghan-hijacker-'working-at-Heathrow'.html
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having had a career in the airlines i was dismayed when our gutless goverment allowed these hijackers to stay (i won't say anything about getting benefits and housing cause it wud be unprintable!).... no hijacker should be given 'uman rights, they should be sent back to the country they came from, whatever the consequences. they have shown a complete disregard for the human rights of other human beings who they have threatened.
then the icing on the cake, he's on bail
for assault... he should be deported - NOW!
the human rights act needs rewriting to limit the coverage for criminals, terrorists etc., we are not all equal in the eyes of the law any more, those that live within it are now second class, subservient citizens providing succour for those outside it.
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The Italian government is doing the bidding of the Italian people. Unlike our government, which is in thrall to Muslims and the EU, the Italian government is well aware that if it does not take action, then the people will. In fact the blaze that you see is what happens when native Italians are ignored.
As for the EU, they can only threaten verbally. If they go too far, Italians will simply not listen to them. In such a scenario, the EU will offer up some mumb-jumbo legalistic support to Italy just to save its own face.
That is what is required here. Only when we take to the streets will the government do anything.
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Gandalf, AjUK, Opinionator
Is it possible to keep the main front page as succinct and catchy as possible, with MORE.. just as in this thread.
This will allow the thread to be active for a lot longer, allowing more posts from readers.
There is still quite a bit of eye-candy on the main and comment page for my liking - I prefer it as simple as possible. This allows quick loading of the page.
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The Italian people are angrier than us British as shown by the burning of the Gypsy camps.
Only when we physically begin to take the law into our own hands will Parliament be forced to realise we are fed up of watching our country and lives slipping away from us.
Only when anger surpasses sadness will these problems be addressed.
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I have started to plan an order in which the bastards and bitches will be hung from lamp posts. not sure on the venue yet though, maybr wembly but open to suggestions. I can dream cant I.
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Hopefully the Italians will turn on the muslims next. To the best of my knowledge the Roma don't want to kill, convert or enslave the host population.
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Urban11
Italians in the south, specially in Naples, are far more excitable then the ones in the North. More likely to go a-burning. Though this kind of citizen action has taken place in Rome as well.
The ones in the North though are are better organised, and more so, realise the threat of Islam. We are going to hear a lot more of the Northern League in the next few years, if that is the Italian government survives. If it does not survive, the Northern League is campaiging for independence, and breaking away from the EU, just as Vlaams Belang. Both realise that Islam, particularly the so called "moderate" Islam, poses an existential threat.
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Italians had the sense to vote in a right wing government who then had the sense to team up with another right wing group.
Where here Westminster is full of the Marxist Fabians with their dream of creating a socialist state leading to a fully flegged commie state.
Italians, protect Italians our MPs protect everyone that isn't British!!
My anger has well surpassed any kind of sadness. my enough was reached long ago.
We need to demand our English bill of rights our own constitution is adhered to not foreign laws carried out by an illegal government.
English common law is my law it gives me all the protection i require.
EUSSR law will bring nothing but oppression to this country and our people.
Sharia laws, sharia finance, sharia full stop, is not needed nore required anyone that feels the need to have sharia go to Heathrow and catch a plane out!
Human rights laws does not need change it needs ignoring!
Laws not made under our countries laws wholly are not legal laws.
John Harris freeman of England followed his rights under our constitution withdrew himself from all unjust laws.
Media silence on this one,Yet John served the papers direct at Buck palace has since received a reply.
http://www.tpuc.org/freeman
Follow links to how Fabians have and are corrupting our nation and ourselves.
Fabians = common purpose = marxists
We owe then nothing except hate and contempt
The Queen no longer head of state..again media silent!
Has she colluded or is she afraid Fabians will abolish the monarchy?
647 MPs all are dumb, stupid, cowardly whimps we need them like an hole in the head.
Their silence has made them guilty!
PEASANT REVOLT 08 STYLE NEEDED..NO TAXES WHILE FABIANS INFEST OUR SEAT OF GOVERNMENT.
STOP ALLOWING THE GOV TO DIRECT YOUR GAZE.
THEY NEED OUR FULL SURVEILANCE!
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couldnt agree more with your thoughts.
Its blody hard waking people up though isnt it.
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Yorkielass
It pains me to hear that HM on her recent visit to Turkey, wishes to see Turkey in the EU.
First, it really is not in the ambit of her HM to interfere in politics. Second, as the supreme Governor of the Church of England and protector of the Protestant faith, she should realise that Turkey's admission would spell doom for Europe. She should know that her illustrious predecessor, Elizabeth I gave this order
In England, Queen Elizabeth I acknowledged that if Malta had fallen to the Turks, England itself would probably have fallen to the Muslims. She ordered the Archbishop of Canterbury to appoint a special form of thanksgiving to be read in every church in the land each day for three weeks. The rest of Europe also celebrated, paying their respects and acknowledging their debt to the Order that had long before been written off as having no real value.
Such is the hubris that now attends us.
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Can you guess where all these thievieng roma will go?E*****D.
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I have seen a few already. They are aggressive beggars, and I mean beggars.
After a few hours of begging ie demanding money for a scraggly flower, I have seen them move off in a smart late model LHD Merc (probably stolen in Germany or Switzerland).
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Almost but not quite off topic
http://tinyurl.com/5zbbj8
They'll damned well do it too. And the twaterati will say not a thing.
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READ THIS IN FULL AT THE EU refendum SITE.
An extraordinary situation is developing in Italy, reported by The Times and others. Writes this paper: "Gypsy shanty towns burn in Naples as Italian police swoop on illegal immigrants," with pictures of firemen hosing down a camp of Roma people that was set on fire on the outskirts of Naples.
This is all part of a nationwide police round-up of nearly 400 illegal immigrants from the Balkans and North Africa, while arsonists have been attacking Roma gypsy, making it clear they are unwelcome.
According to The Times, this week's assaults on Roma shanty towns by scores of youths on scooters and motorbikes wielding iron bars and throwing Molotov cocktails were sparked off by the capture of a 17-year-old Roma girl who last weekend entered a flat in Ponticelli and tried to steal a 6-year-old girl. Chased by the mother and neighbours, she had to be rescued by police....
And today the Berlusconi Cabinet is approving an emergency "security package" drawn up by Robert Maroni, the new Interior Minister and deputy leader of the anti immigrant Northern League.
This includes the dismantling of Roma camps, the appointment of "special commissioners" to deal with "the Roma problem" in Rome and Milan, the tightening of border controls and the speeded-up deportation of immigrants(ie legal immigrants) who cannot show they have a job or an "adequate" income. Maroni also wants to make illegal immigration a criminal offence.
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I didnt expect this to happen so soon. Well lets see if Italian bureacracy is up to the job - but the message is going out.
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And more from the Times. This is good.
Franco Frattini, the Foreign Minister and former EU Commissioner, denied the new Italian government was “xenophobic” but said the Schengen agreement on free movement across EU frontiers needed to be “updated”.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3940192.ece
As I predicted, the EU has no powers to enforce anything against a EUmember state. The UK goes along with the EU, for this Labour government agrees that the UK has to be destroyed as cultural and historic nation.
Once a situation such as this develops, the EU has only one option, go along with what is happening, and offer a legal fig leaf to save its own face.
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The People will always fight back when their governments betray them.
The parasitic spongers always get a fright!
No real surprise here at all.
Nice to see that the Italians are acting in democratic fashion and protecting their democratic right to decide who lives in their country: them!
Yes. It will spread.
The EU is an emphemeral thing.
The EU is another attempt at Fascist/Nazi rule over Democratic Christian people.
It won't last much longer.
How long did it take the People of the Christian Domain to totally subdue the combined efforts, at Absolute Dictatorship, of Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, The Muslim Brotherhood, and Emperor Hirohito?
Six years.
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Mother Ecclesiastica
I hope you are right. But that was a time when Britain and Europe had a common bond within and part of Christendom.
Fifty years of relatavism, cultural neurosis followed by multiculturalism, has led to a population that is rootless, ie does not know its roots, and is confused and directionless as a consequence. Italians do not suffer from this disease, and that is their saving grace.
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