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ISLAM FOR CHILDREN
The education authorities should be challenged on these points as they are not truly representative of this so called faith
Here is an example:
Muhammad (PBUH) was poor, both of his parents died by the time he was six years old. He grew up honest and trustworthy. He did not like conditions where he lived and often went out into the mountains to think about life. One day while he sat and thought, God's messenger the Angel Gabriel came and gave him a message from God. This happened regularly over a period of years. The words sent by God were recorded and are the content of the Qur'an, the Muslim holy book.
All Muslims believe that Islam existed from the day Adam and
Eve were sent down to earth. Other prophets were Abraham, Noah,
Ismail, Isaac, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon and Jesus. They all spread
the word of God. Muslims believe
that Muhammad (PBUH) is the last prophet of God to be sent to the world.
Muhammad started to teach the local community but the people who listened to him were persecuted and eventually forced to leave the area. They all went to Medina. This marks the start of the Islamic calendar because Muhammad (PBUH) founded the first Muslim community there. Their numbers were strong and they were looking for somewhere else to live. There had been some upset in Makkah, the people there had broken the peace treaty (attacking and killing some non-muslim allies in Makkah) and the Muslims consequently marched into Makkah and met no opposition. The people from Makkah became Muslims.
The above is somewhat inaccurate:1) Mohammed was a slave trader
2) Muslims believe that Mohammed was the only true prohet
3) Mohammed was kicked out of Mecca because of his violent attitude to other religions and belief systems, Mecca was primarily populated by the Qureshi (I stand open to correction on that point)
The people who did NOT listen to him were the persecuted ones, this is one of the reasons he was kicked out.
Yes he did go to Medina, he was there for ten to eleven years.
He did return to mecca , but in fact it was the Muslim who were attacking and killing the non Muslim, the battle of Badr followed and the people of Mecca were put to the sword if they did not convert to Islam, Aisha's own testimony bears this out. Ramadan is a celebration of this battle, it is also at this time that the word Jihad was first used
All what I have said can be checked and verified and I think you will agree that there is a big difference in the two versions.
Let us take a look at the Five pillars of Islam
The first thing that strikes you is that children in our schools are taught how to covert to Islam
Shahada This is the main religious belief of all Muslim people and it is a declaration of their faith. The English words are;
If that is not direct prosylization I do not know what is.
The list goes on here are the links:
 | Islam for Children |
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- Opening Page
- Introduction to Islam
- Muhammad
- The Qur'an
- Artefacts
- The Five Pillars of Wisdom
- Islam Festivals
- Mosques
- Islamic Art
- Family Life
- Daily Life
- Islamic Links
- Islamic words and Bibliography
The information given to children in our schools should be accurate and not twisted by the multicultural socially engineered staff that populate our schools at the moment, if teaching has to be anything it has to be honest.
Should any parents of school age children read this then please check out what their school is putting in their heads.
Mohammad,islam's founder, was a 7th century mass murdering, lying, theiving,child molesting Arabian warlord. Islam was the product of his diseased mind and justification for his barbaric behaviour. His legacy is one fifth of the world's population is a slave to this death cult, whilst most of the remaining four fifths are scared shitless, so they won't stand up to it.
There, thats cleared it up in a couple of lines.
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1. Muhammad never traded in slaves.
2. Muslims believe in all the prophets. A muslim is not Muslim inless he believes in Noah, Moses, Jesus..etc. The names of Moses and Jesus are mentioned in the Quran far more than the name of Muhammad. Stories of those prophets are everywhere in the Quran as great messengers of God.
3. "The people who did NOT listen to him were the persecuted ones, this is one of the reasons he was kicked out."!!! In Mecca Muhammad and early muslims didn't have any power to persecute any one. It's interesting where you even get this information?
4. "the battle of Badr followed and the people of Mecca were put to the sword if they did not convert to Islam, Aisha's own testimony bears this out. Ramadan is a celebration of this battle, it is also at this time that the word Jihad was first used".
It's unbelievable how your historical accounts are inaccurate. I suggest you do some more reading in these areas.
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you may wish to have a read of this....
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/slavery.htm
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thank you frakked - nice one
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1) Rubbish, there are even verses in the Koran that deal with slavery. Mo also had sex slaves, one being a woman who was forced to walk past the headless body of her husband. In the hadiths there are many examples of Mo handing out slaves or keeping slaves etc. Its amusing that a Kafir like me knows more than you!!!
2) Rubbish, Muslims deny Jesus, also the Koran is directly opposed to the new Testement in how to live in every way. How can you say that Islam values Jesus when you twist and destroy the message he gave and deny his divinity?
3) In the initial period in Mecca your are right, he was forced to leave, but when he returned to Messa he then killed and persecuted all of the non-Muslims. Most notable is the killing of Jewish woman who was a poet and was heavy with child, a good example of Islam's approach to freedom of expression, she made negative comments about your prophet and he asked his followers to kill her, a good precedent that for all that we are seeing in Europe now, after all you have to follow the example of Mo don't you.
4) Actually its you who needs to do some more reading. I suppose we will get the racist and supremacist comment that we need to read it in Arabic next!
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a)Yes The Quran "deals" with slavery, but no where it says it's good or it says that slaves are less human or to be treated unkindly. The Quran, in an era where slavery was a fact of fact, makes un effort to unroot it gradually. Many verses make it a duty on a Muslim to free a slave if one commits particular mistakes or sins.
b) Slavery is also MENTIONED AND NOT CONDEMNED IN THE BIBLE. In fact, if you compare, you'll find the verses on slavery are even worse in the bible.
Example? Exodus 21:7-8
"And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her."
What does that mean? A father is allowed to sell his girl as a slave, then she needs to "please her master"!
So I suggest you do some research about slavery in the Bible before attacking Islam about that. I don't mean to attack the Bible, I am just showing that it makes no sense when a christian attacks Islam and this way without looking into the Bible.
2. Yes Muslims deny "the diviniy" of Jesus, not him altogether, not his miraculous birth like Jews do for example, who deny he was even a prophet and deny his virgin birth. I was replying to the lie that "Muslims believe that Muhammad in THE ONLY TRUE PROPHET" so I wasn't talking about Jesus there, we believe in the all the prophets and saying otherwise is untrue.
3. Muhammad has a very famous word when he returned to Mecca that he said to meccan, they were afraid when he returned with power after all the torture they inflicted over muslims, he said to them: go and you are safe and free. Nowhere it is said he killed non-muslims when he returned to mecca.
4. no assuming that I will make a racist statement without me even thinking of it seems to be racist! And Islam is not an Arabic religion by the way, Arabs are merely 20% of all Muslims over the world!
PEACE.
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1)a) Ahhh so now you admitting it, well done.
And while we are at it there are still slaves in Islamic countries, I guess that is a gradual uprooting, so gradual those poor southern Sudanese are not aware of it. Your still enslaving people, you know it.
As for less human etc., what a load of twaddle, most of the slaves were non-Muslims and you could do what you wanted with them.
33:50 - "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."
So your calling a human being booty, seems a bit inhuman to me?
b) Actually it is condemmed if you had read that link that Frakked gave you would would have seen that. Slavery is contary to Christian teachings and I would bet that that verse is talking about an event.
I see nothing like the verse of swords in the new testement, feel free to check.
2) Of course you deny him and his message, the teachings of love and respect are contary to what Mohammed taught. And yes you do believe that he is the one true Prophet because his teachings delete any previous teachings, therefore you do not believe in Jesus at all and your insult him by referring to him as a prophet. There is no commonality between Islam and Christianity.
3. Well we have many many hadiths that say otherwise, too many to mention.
But taking the people who were expelled, a bit later they were attacked and killed in a raid and their women taken as slaves. Words as compared to actions, historical fact.
4. So you are confirming to me that criticising Islam is not racist, thank you. Your also telling me that it is not required to read it in Arabic to get the true meaning, thanks for that too.
I don't want your Islamic submision supremacy type peace, I want proper peace as understood by Western society, so western peace to you too.
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1. We are not enslaving people. Islam is not responsible for what happens everywhere in the world. Don't forget that only a few decades ago blacks in usa were looked at as less human by christians. I lived all my life in a muslims country where slavery is not even known. so don't just accuse people freely, is that the love message of christ you're following?
the verse in the bible is not the only one. do your research if you want to be objective. and yes slavery is also against the spirit of Islam, if you try to read the message with an open mind.
i checked the verse that you mention 33:50 then i checked the original Arabic. i agree with you the word booty is unhuman, but guess what? it's not even there! the text says "what God has given you as a good gift", the word used is actually used only when you give someone something precious! you can check other translations of the Quran if you wish. So the word booty does not describe any human in the Quran.
2. Why are you trying to say that "the teachings of love and respect are contary to what Mohammed taught." do you know my religion better than I do? no you just read some stuff here and there only from those who hate Islam. did you try to "really" listen to genuine Islamic sources? Check my blog if you want there is only a few things. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the west for a reason, those who do their homework without listening to all the stereotypes find a completely different picture.
3. too many to mention? No there is not my dear. We know our history very well. There are too many historical facts that prove otherwise.
4. Yes criticising anything is ok, as long as we do it with respect! RESPECT! respect means listening, means not assuming that more than a billion believers from all races are peple who love slavery and killing. respect of all your fellow westerners who converted to islam and are trying to correct all those stereotypes.
There is no Islamc peace vs. western peace. Peace is only peace. it's not arrogant and it's not judgemental!
Peace.
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1. Islamic countries are still practicing slavery, name a single western one that allows it, all you can do is bring up something about black slaves in the USA, wake up slavery does not exist inthe USA, your just trying to deflect the guilt of your religion. Look at Sudan and check out what the Southern Sudanese are saying.
You lived in countries that was most likely 99.999% Muslim.
Why should I research the Bible, its talking about slavery in the context of others having slaves, Islam talks about slaves as booty. So here we go with the Arabic bit, I was waiting for that, out of context, etc. Gift does not hide the meaning of it, so treating a human being as a gift of a slave is inhuman, shall we on again.
2) I do not see any love and respect, just fear, threats and submission and xenophobia against the non-Muslim. Yes I checkd out Muslim books translated into English.
No you go into the my religion is gorwing faster than your rubbish, well as people are killed for leaving Islam they are hardly going to shout about it are they, but many people ae leaving Islam, and what do you get, mentally retarded inadequate loners that you use for suicide bomb attacks.
Lets see where else do you get converts, prisons, what a surprise...
Why do I want to check your blog, I have looked at Islam in detail since 1997 ever since a woman in a short sleeved T-shirt was assaulted outside the Regents St Mosque.
3) Well I got those from Muslim sources, I could quite easily start quoting them to you, we could have hours of fun with teh mistranslation routine.
4) Respect, I do not respect your religion, respect is earn't, respect is not a given, I do not respect the millions of victims to Islamic supremacy, that women have to cover themselves in sacks because Muslim males are unable to control their urges. What is there to respect, was I supposed to respect the Byzantium mosaics destroyed by Islamic conquerers, respect honor killings, respect the need to kill or threaten to kill anyone who criticises your faith, respect the fact that you have to threaten death to anyone who tries to leave Islam.
I listen to you of course, but I have had many debates like this and it follows the same patterns, see you slipped into the Arabic translation routine, I flanked you so you could not use the racism one, I am sure you will try again.
I don't respect my follow Westerners who converted to Islam, but I do respect ex-Muslims, now that is courage, Wafa Sultan, now that is someone I respect.
Peace = peace if you submit to the will of Allah, that is arrogant and it is judgemental, it is not my kind of peace old bean.
So I bid you a Western peace again.
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I suggest that you check out Aisha's testimony about when Mohammed returned to Mecca.
"Aish was sitting on the steps, she was talking to a young girl of about 18 0r 19, the girl asked, Where is Allah's messenger, Aisha replied "he is in the square killing non belivers", the young girl replied "I may be one of them", Aisha left and returned some time later and she asked about the girl, she was told she was dead.
You will find this in Bukhari Hadiths
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Qur'an 4:23 "Prohibited to you are: your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters born of your wives to whom you have gone in, no prohibition if you have not gone in; (those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins [leaving wives of adopted sons - like his Zayd - fair game]; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-Forgiving. Also (prohibited are) women already married, except slaves who are captives (of war)."
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Vigorous BNP Response
http://barnsley-nationalists3.blogspot.com/2007/10/jihadists-want-our-kids-dead-or-alive.html
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By the way, some of the greatest and most honoroud historical figures of islam were former slaves. Abu Bakr, Muhammad's life long friend and the first man to accept islam was a wealthy man in mecca. slaves who accepted islam were tortured by their masters. Abu Bakr used his wealth to buy those slaves. But wait, he didn't buy them for himself, he bought them to free them. The black slave bilal was one of them. now as any muslim kid about Bilal, he will say that's one of the greatest "companions" of the prophet. many of those great men and women dear to every muslim were former slaves in their time. Thanks
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Of course he would do that, what better way to create a following, do you expect me to believe that he did it out of the kindness of his heart. And any slave that was freed like that often becomes a companion as they feel a debt of gratitude, so what, what does that prove. Slavery of women infidels as booty, as the spoils or war is what Gandalf was talking about. Of course we can also talk about male infidel slaves, look at the fate of those captured by the Barbary pirates, they were slaves, or kidnap victims.
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Perhaps you can help me in my ignorance, was Jerusalem mentioned in the Koran, I can't seem to find it, perhaps it is mentioned in Arabic and I am missing it?
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jerusalem was not mentioned by name in the quran, but the Aksa mosque is.
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No it was the farthest Mosque, there was no Mosque in Jerusalem when Mohammed died. Come on get it right.
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Yes a debate like that can go for hours. And by the way, my country is not %99.999 muslims, at least %10 are not muslims, mainly christians (they also use the word Allah when talking about God!). I as a true Muslims am against slavery and against killing any innocent for any reason, and I deserted my own religions for years then came back to it after careful studying. I hate Bin Laden as well as those who were behind the two european-world wars that caused millions to die, I hate Saddam Hussein and I hate those who used the nuclear bomb killing 250,000 civilans in one day, and yes Islam teaches me all that. You won't even look at my blog and others like it, you will only look at those who attack islam, so be it. the Quran says: "There is no obligation is religion", and says to Muhammad: "you have to authority over people".
Instead of fighting each other in debates, believers should unite against all the injustice in the world. against slavery of any kind, and in "any form", like when rich countries support the tyrans of poor countries, because they think they need to keep them poor if they want to remain rich! and remember that your western way doesn't have to be the ONLY right way of life. millions of women choose to cover because they want to, this is just personal freedom.
and you know what, nuns do cover the exact same way muslim women do, dont they? christianity itself is against nudity, the same as islam.
Peace again, the human peace, which is one as i said before.
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Recently in a Muslim country Christian were told they could not use Allah when talking about God, it can't be that one.
Define innocent, I know that this verse only applies to people not spreading mischief on the Earth, which once you work it back it means only a devout Muslim.
So Islam teaches you to hate, in your own words.
There is no obligation in religion is an aborgated verse, come on you have to do better than that.
I see much greater inequality in Muslim countris in terms of wealth. I never said that the Western way is the only way, I do not happen to think tha the Islam way is the right way.
Personal freedom from not being treated as sex object or uncovered meat. Nuns are people who have chosen a religious life, not every single woman.
As I said, I wish you a western peace, not a submission peace.
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Muslims did not kill 250,000 civilians in one day.
Muslims did not create two WORLD WARS killing millions and millions.
Muslims were killed by thousands in bosnia and kosovo, almost 50,000 muslim women were violently aborted and raped, these were the only muslim countries in europe, many reports from serbian soldiers said they were encouraged by their churches to "purify" europe from muslims, by genocide. this went on for years and years, in the heart of europe, until civilized europe woke up, after thousands were already killed and women raped. Some graves contained 8000 muslims killed at once. you see, islamophobists are trying to convince us that all evil comes from islam, but history present day events say otherwise. you don't respect my religion, you're free, i do respect all followers of any other religion and i believe they are free to believe what they want. I will not try to teach them what they believe, they know their beliefs better than I do.
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The use of Nuclear weapons, but had they not been used casualties from an invasion of Japan were estimated at 10 to 20 times that figure.
Patrotic stupidity created the first world war, the second was created by mistakes made at the end of the first and the ideology of the National SOCIALISTS, they have nothing to do with Western Liberal democracies, do you understand nothing, my country stood up against them. Muslims assisted them in killing the Jews in the Balkans by the way, men women and children lined up and shot by Muslim SS soldiers, don't you feel any shame?
Muslims have killed over 60,000,000 Hindu's. Muslims have conqured many millions of people and in those conquests killed millions or enslaved them.
Back to the Balkans, from the time of the fall of Constantinople, Muslims killed raped and misused many many more non-Muslims then the Serbs ever did, the past atrocities of Muslims and fear of that happening again are directly responsible for the events in the Balkans that you mention. But at least you recognise that we put an end to it.
No you do not respect other religions, the Koran calls them false, and misled, Islam supercedes them its in the Koran.
They know their beliefs better than you, especially in terms of slavery.
But your right not all evil comes from Islam, but a fairly high percentage does.
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During the Mogul Empire in India it is estimated that approx 60 million Hindu's were killed, it was not until the British arrived there and actually brought the Mugal Empire to an end did the killing stop.
The Hindu was close to being irradicated because they were seen as idolaters by the Muslim.
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It really was a piece of bad luck for you to have been born a muslim, but an act of abject stupidity to return to your "faith". Look at the way you have to zig-zag all over the place in order for you to justify your belief system and the actions of its founder. Islam and its "prophet" just does not stand up to any critical analysis. End of story, you are batting for the wrong side.
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Well that was fun while it lasted, on a happy note Columbia standing firm and sticking to its guns released 14 hostages from the FARC, including Ingrid Betancourt and 3 Americans. A quite brilliant operation following intelligence led infiltration into the FARC fascist organisation. Evil does not always win does it!!!
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A glimmer of hope indeed AJukDD - the sheer joy on the faces of those freed hostages was wonderful -
How sad that so many innocent British people, of all ages, are held hostage in their own homes, afraid to answer their doors or walk their neighborhood streets because of the violence and the "enrichment of diversity".
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I agree, its such a shame that the normal person can not walk the streets without fear. I know part of it is down to our own societies issues, but allowing immigration of people who hate our way of life was the biggest crime against decent normal law abiding people.
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Shedou wrote: "Islam is not responsible for what happens everywhere in the world."
You are so wrong it's almost laughable, and most inaccurate.
Islam is not a religion, it is a death cult and very dangerous ideology that enslaves its poor and ignorant followers.
People who follow the mentally depraved rantings of a practising pedophile need to be enlightened. Really.
In response to your ignorant statement, think about this: since 911 there have been 11384 attacks by muslims (yes, ALL of them were muslims) around the world - bombings, beheadings, murders, rapes, racial murders, beatings up, dismemberments, physical torture and abuse, child murders, killings and so on... the list is endless.
If you are not aware of or do not understand the numbers, then check out the website that publishes, verifies and documents the atrocities that the so-called religion of peace dumps on our world. Have a look at:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
for the 11384 attacks and irrational atrocities. That averages to 4.8 attacks, atrocities, murders, and so on a DAY! Yes, a day.
And this is what we are supposed to believe is the religion of peace! In a pig's arse it is. What a ridiculous and moronic statement - the religion of peace! Hah.
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