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It's all our fault - again (Part deux)
I am not sure how to start this post, I have read an article by A. Sivanandan entitled" Fighting anti Muslim racism"I have read this article three times and I am still unsure of what point/s if any he is trying to make, it is however quite clear that he is writing in a Marxist vein.
In the opening paragraphs of his dialogue he dismisses the British culture in just a few words, they are -
"Western culture, because it is a culture of conquest and subjugation, is impregnated with racist and nativist/anti-foreigner ideas. Such ideas develop into a fully-fledged ideology when harnessed to an economic or political programme such as slavery or apartheid. But they can still become a material social force, justifying discrimination and engendering racial violence, in areas and times of economic hardship when there is competition for jobs, housing etc between indigenous and foreign or immigrant workers"
He immediately condemns western culture as one of subjugation and conquest, he does not make any statement about the past 2000 years of development and social/cultural growth that has taken place in the UK, yes the British empire did exist and by and large it behaved a great deal better that the other empires that preceded it, it many cases the "empire" improved peoples lives, not everything concerning the British empire was good, that we all know but all mr Sivanandan sees is "conquest and subjugation"
He does not see the growth of Christianity and the principles upon which our culture is based, he does not see the enlightenment during which the western world gave so much to the development of the human race, he does not see the sacrifices made by the western world in removing demagogues and dictators who terrorized their own people and any others that they could- no we just subjugate and conquer.
I wonder how he sees the Otterman Empire and its legacy, does he see this empire as benevolent and not one of subjugation and conquest? - probably,
the article is about Islam, he makes no critique of Islam whatsoever, he implies that once again "it is our fault" we are the nasty evil people that are making the lives of Muslims a misery.
Mr Sivanandan goes on to say:-
"Let me explain. Globalisation has shifted the role of the state from welfare to market. The welfare state was guided by principles of social equality, which made for social cohesion. The market state is guided by the principles of wealth creation and individual success, which fractures society, fragments communities, and reifies personal relationships. There is nothing organic now to cohere the nation. Hence the imposition from above of British values and programmes of social cohesion to hold the nation together - aided now by the politics of fear and the 'enemy within', creating in the process a faux nationalism evident in everything from foreign policy to oaths of allegiance in our town halls."
This is a very shallow comment, there is more to a society and a culture than just wealth creation and individual success, that is not why we are who we are, we are the product of 2000 years of development, sometimes very painful development, our standards, principles,practices, beliefs and identity arise from this, they are part of us and as such to dismiss this as Faux nationalism is remarkably insulting.I agree our nation is fragmented, this is because we in this country have had our identity rubbished and discounted in the pursuit of the multicultural ideal that Mr Savanandrum espouses, there is no universal equality, Islam itself is based upon imposition of a blood soaked theocracy that mercilessly imposes its will upon others, Mr Sivanandan should take a good look at Islam, how it works and what its true aims are
Once again Mr Sivanandan falls back on to the "Imposition" of our culture upon others, he cannot get his head out of the days of slavery - he has not moved on, yet the very culture he is apparently defending has the worst record of all when it comes to enslaving people, Islam is still enslaving people, it still practices slave trading - he makes no mention of this.
This man does not want western culture to survive, he no doubt sees the Islamic Ummah as the archetypal marxist state, he is very misguided, he himself would - in an Islamic state be very much at risk.
Islamophobia - if ever there was a non word Islamophobia is it, is not about race it is about stopping the rise of a culture that is the complete opposite of western culture taking root and eventually attempting to destroy western culture, as it has tried to for so many centuries.
More from the article:-
There are other reasons, too, why we need to focus on the struggle against anti-Muslim racism. Firstly, because anti-Muslim racism has become institutionalised through the government's 'Muslim wars', its anti-terror laws, its use of stop and search and its failure to curb the media's excesses. (And institutional racism, as we know, reproduces itself at other levels of society.) Second, these in turn breed a culture of fear and suspicion and give groups such as the BNP and the English Defense League a hold on public opinion. Third, the government's elevation of 'British values' (as opposed to universal values) to which we should all aspire - and therefore to British culture - confirms the popular view that Muslim values and Muslim culture are raw and threatening. And this gives a fillip to nativism which, in the hands of the Right, turns into the rough and tumble patriotism of the street.
Nativism, what is wrong with nativism, every country in the World practices nativism, we in the UK have indigenous rights, we have been here in this land the longest.
As for the rough and tumble on the streets, the majority of victims of crime in the UK are white people, the majority of the perpetrators of crime in the UK are immigrants, the majority of victims of racial attacks are white people, 10% of our prison population is Muslim, this from a quoted 2% of the population, the figures tell their own story or will Mr Savanandrum say its all our fault that Muslims are imprisoned
The problem with attempting to engage with islam on an intellectual level is that .... they are incapable.
Convoluted and distorted "logic", a dystopic view of "the west", the reliance on "straw man" argument and other such devices, distorted historical references and other false premise "proofs" and, importantly, the existence of the odious practice of taqiya coupled with a dogmatic determination to "prove" the rantings of mohammed preclude muslims from intellectual debate.
I think you are a better man than I, Gunga Din, attempting to unravel the mutterings and ravings of yet another "Islamic expert".I gave up years ago.
In truth, all islamic argument can be distilled into one or two points:
* Islam must dominate.
* Kufar must submit.
After that is established, it's a matter of "Whatever it takes".
NOT ON MY WATCH!
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Discussion with Muslims is pointless. Even if you win the argument it will serves no purpose, as the command to implement sharia worldwide is not dependent on winning a debating point, but a divine order from allah - Muslims believe that, and as it is a belief, it cannot be argued with.
The rest of their beliefs are really of no concern of ours. All that matters is, can we debate Muslims to change the Koran so that sharia is not mandated? We cant.
It is a waste of time and energy. It has been tried by the best, such as Ali Sena, Ibn Warraq, Anwar Hussain, to no avail.
The best way to debate about Islam with Muslims, if forced to, is to stick to the central feature of Islam that affects us - sharia, and not get involved in details of Koranic csuras etc. They do not concern us.
Get Muslims to disavow sharia as their strategic goal in the West, then you have won. But then go on with the argument that as Muslims are permitted to lie to infidels when it comes to Islam, your Muslim debater, with all respect, cannot be trusted.
Therefore, it is the best interest of all, that Muslims live in a Muslim country where their sharia is the law, and their customs are not regarded barbaric.
If the do not disavow sharia, then you have the argument with the western non-Muslim audience.
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Europe's Ghost: Tolerance, Jihadism, and the Crisis in the West
"Michael Radu, with characteristic incisiveness, cuts through the mindless multicultural relativism of modern liberalism to demolish the illusions of well-meaning but ignorant appeasers of Islamic radicalism. The crux of his argument: tolerance of intolerant Muslims in Europe threatens the civil liberties and individual rights that European culture has so brilliantly advanced over centuries of struggle." -- Nils H. Wessell, former Director, Foreign Policy Research Institute
"Michael Radu has written a most interesting and comprehensive book about the important issues of Muslim immigration and Islamism in contemporary Europe. No matter what readers viewpoints might be they will learn an enormous amount." -- Barry Rubin, author of The Tragedy of the Middle East and Global Survey of Islamism
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/03/europes-ghost-tolerance-jihadism-and-the-crisis-in-the-west.html#comments
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Islam is the Greatest Lie in History
Mosab Yousef (photo), author of “Son of Hamas” presents his viewpoints very graphically in a TV interview with a Canadian show on CBC News. The problem is not Hamas alone, but Islam in general — the greatest lie in history. Without paying attention to the attempts by the journalist to stop him, Yousef states with the authority of a man who knows Islam, that the main danger comes from the fact that a fourth of the world’s population believes in this Allah cult and that it is a religion from God.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6sZPhsA53c&feature=player_embedded
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Christian woman raped and burned alive
In Pakistan, a young Christian woman was raped by her employer’s son and then, while she was still alive, her body was soaked with gasoline and ignited. Her burns were so bad that the girl died after two days. The Catholic Magazine for Church and Culture reports.
http://www.pi-news.org/2010/03/christian-woman-raped-and-burned-alive/
Business as usual. Lots more of this is going on all over the Islamic world.
Its happening in Europe as well but our panic stricken lying MSM, is covering up for Muslims. They may also be lying because pressure from government not to inflame the situation. Whatever it may be, women and Jews are right in the front line of the Jihad, i.e., they are like the damsels that were supposedly offered to the dragon to buy some peace and security.
Where are the men to protect the vulnerable in our society? That is the main role of man - to defend and protect.
Its a sad unfortunate fact that men have been demonised by feminists in alliance with politicians and the judiciary. Now that we need stalwart men to defend us, they have gone walkabout. The remaining men are either too old and inform, or pussified Leftist effeminised creatures that wouldnt pass muster.
God help us.
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congratulations for reading the article three times! reading it once gave me a headache. and this guy is 'one of the foremost analysts of racism and Black struggle'? If I was suffering from racism or involved in 'Black struggle' I would not look to him for guidance.
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"They" the government and intelligentsia have to keep pushing this line or admit the scale of the problem. If the admit there is a problem they will have to deal with it. Due to muslim numbers in the west and the way they have been allowed to settle here THEIR terms that must lead to civil war. Given the oil weapon even global war.
So they keep telling us how bad we are and how great muslims are and what they have done for civilation. Now the children of the illiterate Pakistani farmers are posting "isalm took Europe outof the dark ages check it out"
It would be interesting to log how many times a week the main alBBCere radio & TV channels push the line "wonderful islam".
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The persecution of minorities particularity Christians in Muslim countries is widespread and continues to grow. This persecution is one, destruction of livelihoods of Christians, destruction of churches, random murder, judicial murder using false accusations that a Christian insulted Mohammed or mishandled a koran. These are well documented, and make a further showing here
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/03/minarets-and-murder---ngos-call-on-the-un-human-rights-council-to-condemn-kadhafi-for-his-jihad-thre.html#comments
Then there are beheadings, all accompanied and ‘sanctified’ to the accompaniment of “Allahu Akhbar”. I won’t provide the link, but if you wish you can Google “Somali Christian beheaded video”.
To Gandalf
Extreme warning
I will leave it to you to decide whether to let this comment stay up.
It will come here as well, in full force. Threats to murder apostates is already taking place, but 'beheadings', not yet. It will come though, be of no doubt.
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Anyone noticed how many times the paki kid that was kidnapped (probably an inside job) is referred to as British?
Doesn't look or sound very British to me!
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Several people have quietly made the same observation. What is more interesting but has naturally not been said by the MSM is that he should have been at school in the UK.
The rule used to be that children could have two weeks a year extra holiday during the school term if there was a special need. They were not too strict about the reasons, my friend had time off to visit grandparents in the Isle of Man in the cheap season.
However it is common knowledge that "Asian" kids disappear for months at a time. As far as girls go they don't even go away, its just the parents do not want them educated. It was so bad in Manchester that the dumb*** City Council planned to set up a British school in the Bangladesh region the kids in their area came from. This was at a time the wonderful Tony Blair was thinking of JAILING British parents who kept kids away from school.
You can imagine the public reaction. A school in Bangladesh was too much even for our dimmi government. The Council were summoned to London and the plan "shelved" for financial reasons. But I would not put it past them to do it on the quiet anyway.
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We can now guess why his father flew back without him. It is also interesting that there have been no questions asked in the MSM as to how a family living in a small house in a "deprived" area of a northern town could raise a £100,000 ransom. Also the interesting links to Pakistanis in Paris and Madrid.
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