Police falsification of reports - who is next - the EDL

Some serious questions have to be asked, we have in recent days been shown just how much the police have manipulated reports, Hillsborough is one, now we have the exposure of how the police forged reports about the miners strikes in the 80's, many of whom were charged with "riot" this carried a life sentence

In both cases the degree of falsification beggars belief, I am certain that the average bobby who was dispatched to police these events acted as instructed by their superiors, and acted in good faith, they were probably too intimidated by their superiors to question the instructions that they were given regarding the falsification of their reports.

But falsified they were, much to the detriment of the demonstrators or football fans, the question to be asked now is this-

When the EDL demonstrate they are ALWAYS accompanied by the police, the police have to submit reports, how many of these "reports" are actually accurate and how many are - if any "modified. The same applies to marches or meetings of the BNP or any other minority movement within the UK that does not fit readily with the prescribed social model.

We now know that our police falsify documentation, do we have any reason to believe that they do not still do so?.

Let us look at the EDL March in Walthamstow that took place on 1st September this year, during this demonstration the EDL were attacked by the UAF

The police later stated that there were some arrests but did not -according to the Guardian, say how many. All inferences to the EDL being a "far right organization" were either implied or explicit, it would appear that nothing was done to counter this description except by the EDL themselves.

However on this occasion there was an independent researcher amongst the EDL, the researchers report shows a somewhat different demonstration~

Thank you anonymous

When is a kettle not a kettle? When it is on slow boil…

For the past few months, Hilary Pilkington (University of Manchester) has been attending demonstrations and other events organised by the English Defence League (EDL) as part of ethnographic research conducted for the MYPLACE projectTravelling with members of the organisation (who are aware of their status as researchers) to these events has allowed project members to experience demonstrations from the perspective of EDL members themselves. This article documents the policing of a particular EDL demonstration that might be experienced by members of a wide range of organisations.

When is a kettle [1] not a kettle? When it is on slow boil…

On 1 September the EDL conducted a legally sanctioned demonstration in Walthamstow, East London (see here for details of the aims of the demonstration set out by the EDL). It was roundly declared by demonstrators to be ‘the worst demo ever’. It is not hard to understand why: demonstrators never reached the final rendezvous point where speeches by EDL leaders were meant to take place; they were on the receiving end of a barrage of eggs thrown by counter-demonstrators; they were kept within a tight police containment cordon from approximately 12.30 to 10pm; and, before finally being released, they were arrested en masse under Section 60 of the Criminal Justice Act (breach of peace), regardless of whether there was any evidence that individuals had participated in, or were likely to participate in, any public order offence.

Demonstrators being escorted onto the tube at Kings Cross

The purpose of this blog is not to debate the rights or wrongs of EDL views or policies but to describe the experience of being on that demonstration from a participant’s perspective and raise questions about whether police strategy was, in this instance, warranted.

The first indication that this was going to be a demonstration with a difference was when the usual police escort into the initial ‘muster’ place as EDL coaches approach the city of demonstration did not materialise. Instead two coaches of EDL demonstrators offloaded their contents at King’s Cross station with no police presence and no knowledge of whether counter demonstrators were waiting. Fortunately (but it appeared to be luck rather than planning on the part of the police) demonstrators were picked up from the station front by EDL stewards and guided towards the designated pub (where the police were in attendance) without violent incident. Around 12.30 the police began to move the demonstrators towards the start point of the march – this involved taking them back to Kings Cross and escorting them on a packed and claustrophobic tube train half a dozen stops down the line to Blackhorse Road, maximizing disruption to public transport and other passengers.

Demonstrators were contained outside Blackhorse Rd tube station for a while after which they began ‘the long march’ to Waltham Forest Magistrates court. Because of the endless stops while the police tried to clear counter demonstrators from the sanctioned route and, when this proved impossible, the EDL march was re-routed, this relatively short journey took around two hours. This process (already now lasting around three hours) is reminiscent of what has been referred to as a ‘mobile kettle’. But the frustration was only about to begin. The demonstrators (media reports have varied in their estimates of EDL demonstrators from 200-500 but based on previous demonstrations, we would estimate there were 500-600) were then fully kettled for a further two hours, in full view of the final destination (where the rally was meant to take place) and of the counter demonstration, which had effectively prevented the EDL rally taking place. Police vans and a solid police cordon prevented any movement outside a contained area while police with dogs patrolled the grassy area that lay between EDL demonstrators and their final destination. As is clear from the photo below, throughout this period of containment demonstrators were videoed by the police.

It was at this point that the mood began to become agitated. Despite the total lack of information, as time ticked on it was clear that the speeches that the demonstrators had come to hear would not take place. Periodically small groups of demonstrators hatched plans to ‘break out’ of the kettle area and, when they attempted this, scuffles broke out with the police. As rumours spread that the EDL leadership had abandoned the attempt to hold the rally and been escorted away, the mood grew despondent. It was now around 5 hours since anybody had had access to water, food or toilets and frustration rose. The ‘long march’ back began…

Demonstrators are ‘contained’ close to Waltham Forest Magistrates Court

If anything counter demonstrators were more effective on the return march – splitting into small groups and now armed with eggs and other missiles, they moved from side street to side street causing the police to slow the ‘mobile kettle’ to a halt while, with riot helmets donned, they cleared the next street. Around an hour or so later, demonstrators were back at Blackhorse Road station where, it had been promised, the coaches they had come to London would be waiting to take them out of the city.

That was the last, and erroneous, piece of information that demonstrators received until around 8.30pm. Then, suddenly, after two hours of questions about ‘what is happening’ had been met with a uniform ‘we don’t know’ from police officers on the ground, somebody, somewhere managed to persuade a police officer to tell us that the Commander in charge had ordered that all demonstrators would be arrested under Section 60 of the Criminal Justice Act (breach of peace). As protests went up about the justification of this, demonstrators were told that this was ‘in your interest’ as it allowed the police to remove people from the area and thus ‘prevent’ further breach of peace. At this point a number of us did point out to the police officers on the ground that the coaches that had brought us to London were parked 50 metres away and, if just some of the officers containing us in the area were released to escort demonstrators to their right coaches, they could achieve the same aim without causing themselves a significant amount of paperwork and demonstrators another two hours of discomfort. The response, understandably, was that this was ‘not our decision’. So, there then began a very, very long process of the search and arrest of each individual protestor (taken out in twos). In the course of this process, a few dozen bottles of water were thrown into the crowd and shared by those who caught them. It would be another couple of hours (making it 10 or more in total) before anybody would see food or a toilet.

The remains of the march: a scene from the final kettle

After we had all been read our rights, told what we had been arrested for, searched and given a copy of our arrest docket, we were transported with our arresting officers to the other end of London (the coaches by this time had been told to leave) and left to find some way back to wherever we had come from. Before we left the bus, we were told that we were ‘no longer under arrest’; a police officer’s word, I guess, has to be trusted….

This is not a blog about the EDL. It does not seek to portray them as victims (nor as criminals). But anybody knows that if you put a kettle on slow boil for ten hours, it will run dry, and when it does, it will explode. Given the experience of demonstrators, who came to a legally sanctioned demonstration and behaved peaceably [2], and were subjected to containment in a ‘mobile kettle’ for ten hours without access to water, food or toilets, it is, in fact, remarkable that no serious violence took place at Walthamstow. At the bitter end, many demonstrators declared that they would ‘never again’ attend a demonstration. Before you conclude that this is a ‘victory’ for police strategy, consider whether you would have the same reaction if the demonstration had not been organised by the EDL?

[1] The term ‘kettle’ or ‘kettling’ refers to a police strategy of surrounding demonstrators at a protest in order to contain them in a particular place. The police argue it is necessary as a preventative measure to avoid violence or disorder during demonstrations, but it is increasingly being used for long periods of time and protest groups have argued that it is deployed to deliberately frustrate demonstrators or as a means of ascertaining personal details and photographs of protestors.

[2] There were 20 arrests for offences other than the ‘breach of peace’ arrest imposed on all participants, of which only 9 were EDL demonstrators (others were involved in the counter demonstration) and primarily for possession of drugs, fireworks etc.

This article was first published on the MYPLACE blog

Note: This article gives the views of the author, and not the position of the British Politics and Policy blog, nor of the London School of Economics. Please read our comments policy before posting.

About the author

Hilary Pilkington is Professor of Sociology at the University of Manchester. She has researched and published widely on late and post-Soviet Russian youth practices. She is coordinator of a major EC funded FP7 project – ‘MYPLACE’  – investigating youth and civic engagement (2011-15) in the context of diverse political heritage and the receptivity of young people in Europe to populist political agendas ( www.fp7-myplace.eu/).

I am certain that the police reports - if they were available would show the EDL as the agent provocateurs in this demonstration because it is they who were kettled and arrested even though the UAF were the aggressors.

We must remember that the UAF are sponsored by  the Unite Trade Union who also sponsor the Labour party and there politicians therefore it would not be good for the Labour party or any other mainstream party to be shown as supporting a violent mob

We must also remember that reports from the police are passed on to the Home Office and what is in those reports will influence government actions, indeed to add what maybe a paranoid caveat - did the Home Office instruct the police to behave in such a way? - who knows

What will the members of the EDL be charged with when they demonstrate, what will the members of the BNP, BFP(British Freedom Party) be charged with if they demonstrate, it could be anything.

Whilst ever we have a police force that feel that it can falsify statements and evidence with impunity we have a police state, in this case I am certain that it is government initiated, as it was in the miners strike.

On an almost daily basis we see the very opposite of the above being applied to other groups who demonstrate, the tolerance shown by the police to demonstrations held by Muslim groups that overtly threaten violence and death to the UK public is highly notable, the participants in these protests suffer very little consequence for their actions.

November the 11th approaches - Remembrance day - Poppies will be sold on the streets, in shops, Pubs and many other places, the British Legion is to provide young Poppy sellers with protection

Last year Poppy sellers were attacked in Bradford, no prizes for guessing by whom, Last year Poppies were burned by gangs of Muslims yet it was the EDL who were kettled.

There is something seriously rotten in the UK


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  • 22 Oct 2012, 10:55 PM DP111 wrote:
    Why should anyone trust the police? The British police were once the most respected and trusted official body in Britain. Now they are reviled and feared. They do nothing to defend the helpless, but are adept at terrorising the innocent. They have become uniformed thugs of the goivernment, that Tazer blind old men, or shoot a missionary to death. Then cover up cover up.
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    1. 23 Oct 2012, 11:33 AM DP111 wrote:
      See this

      OBAMA is not one of us. He is one of them.

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  • 22 Oct 2012, 11:10 PM DP111 wrote:
    Just as in the old USSR, the police can now arrest anyone for traveling from one British town to another, on the charge that they may commit a crime. Orwell, are you taking note?

    Interestingly, the Russian police have given up that practice.
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    1. 23 Oct 2012, 12:15 PM DP111 wrote:
      Western governments in Europe, right now France and Britain have a problem. They can intimidate, harass, beat up, or imprison groups such as the EDL and Génération Identitaire, and hope that they can shut them down, or do nothing. Action or inaction both carry problems for the authorities. It could lead to sympathy for the EDL and Génération Identitaire or worse.

      Not doing anything to the EDL and Génération Identitaire also has disadvantages for the authorities.

      The immeduate effect of governments harassing the EDL and Génération Identitaire is that they have chucked the ball into the EDL and Génération Identitaire camp. As far as the governments are concerned, they are saying, the ball is in your camp, are you prepared to play the game to our rules? If not we can get really tough. OTH, they must be aware that they can only get rough so far before the worm turns. Its a tough problem, if you were in government.

      Paul Weston and Tommy Robinson, particularly Paul Weston, has the chance now to change the game ever so slightly in his favour. This may involve loss of his freedom for a period of time. But he must think carefully – British history is full of people who were incarcerated by the Brits and ended up being PM and invited to Bucks palace.

      Paul, if you see this, think carefully. Pray to the Lord Almighty, as you need His help. Islam cannot be defeated by any secular means – this is already obvious.
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      1. 23 Oct 2012, 2:22 PM Urban11 wrote:
        Black Jack Pershing did a neat job without any higher authority!
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        1. 23 Oct 2012, 3:08 PM DP111 wrote:

          At the time, there was no loss of faith in the West. Our society had not been corrupted by Lefties and communists. This was a time when British and American armies went to war or battle after a prayer, putting their faith in God, no matter what the outcome. I'm certain that Gen Pershing was a God fearing man.

          Lack of faith in the foundational faith of the West, has led to multiculteralism, and the inability to resist an ideology that masquerades as a religion.

          There are times when the battle is so tough, and operates on levels other then the battlefield, that the only way that a any soldier, and that includes you and me, can go forward, is to have faith.

          This was exactly the problem that confronted your namesake UrbanII. He had to stiffen and bolster the weakening morale of Christian armies against the certain positive morale of the Janissaries, as they invaded Europe. He succeeded.

          The same problem confronted Ferdinand - his armies weakening resolve against an Allah supported long victorious Muslim army. It was Irish monks who did the trick.
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  • 24 Oct 2012, 4:12 PM Urban11 wrote:
    Those commies don't waste much time!


    A common purpose for Libya

    By Maha Ellawati.

    Benghazi, October 23:

    Almost a thousand Libyans have so far attended courses designed to help them better understand the working of civil society in a democracy.

    So far, 26 courses and workshops have been run in Tripoli, Benghazi, Al Beida, Derna and Misrata by UK-based charity Common Purpose. Project Manager, Australian-born Nacho Galvez, told Libya Herald that the European Union (EU) founded the project “to respond to early Libyan requests for support with training on leadership and managerial skills.”

    The objective of Common Purpose in Libya said Galvez: “Is to build up the management and leadership capacities of leaders and managers within the emerging interim institutions and civil society in Libya, so that they are able to meet the challenges of a society in transition”.

    Some workshops were specifically designed for young people between the ages of 20 and 35 who wanted to become effective leaders in their communities. In the run-up to the elections, courses for ‘Young Leaders’ focussed on raising younger people’s awareness of the electoral process. Galvez said participants, worked on campaigns to ensure that Libya’s younger generation were well-informed and engaged with the elections.
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  • 25 Oct 2012, 10:03 PM John Hammers wrote:
    When are you people going to get the message that you have to be more subtle than turning up on Demos etc. The message that by the way I agree with has to be more professional in its delivery you have to stop appearing like thugs and chavs and more like reasonable middle of the road citizens. Play the game dont get stereotyped as hooligans, turn the other cheek and win by being Rational. All you are doing is scaring your potential supporters away and scaring people who have the same opinion as you that they will be seen as "shaven headed thugs etc" and " Right Wing" or " Nazis" win the arguement not the battle and the war can be won sooner than you think because people believe in the arguement they just do not identify with the way you are going about it. this way you can attract well known personalities to the cause but they way it is they cannot afford to be identified with the cause. Think about it you must admit it makes sense
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