UP Pompeii

This does not help at all

Gandalf — Sat, 17 May 2008 09:12:03 GMT

Utterings such as this from US President G W Bush do not help at all :

President Bush yesterday told students in Israel he hasn't done enough to dispel the idea that the United States is at war with Islam, but also blamed the "poisonous" state-run TV stations in the Middle East for mischaracterizing him.

During an extended conversation with about 12 college and high school students under an olive tree in Jerusalem, the issue of diplomacy arose, and Mr. Bush launched into a defense of his attitude toward Muslims.

Mr Bush, war has been declared on the western world by Islam, that is patently clear and to take the stance that the west is NOT at war with Islam is a totally misguided one.

The west did not declare war on Islam, Islam declared war on the west, war has been forced upon us.

The making of appeasing statements such as this only gives the enemy greater confidence and reinforces their belief that we will not stand to protect our civilization.

Here is one Americans view, and it is an excellent answer to the pandering politicians in the west

Thank you Veronica

http://uppompeii1.uppompeii.com/2008/05/17/this-does-not-help-at-all.aspx

If Italy can do it - why can't we?

Gandalf — Fri, 16 May 2008 21:14:01 GMT

Please correct me if I am wrong but we are a member of the EU are we not?
As such the same laws apply to us as much as any other member state (supposedly)?
Accepting that "that is the case" why is it that Italy can eject unwanted people and we cannot?

The Italians are kicking out the Romanian Gypsies by the hundreds, why are we not doing the same to the thousands of illegal immigrants from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia and other such places.

Clearly there is no will on the part of our Government to take ANY kind of proactive action against these illegal immigrants

In Italy they are taking very positive action:-

from the article:-

Interior minister Roberto Maroni, also from the Northern League, is rushing out emergency laws to bring back passport checks on Italy's EU borders.

This is despite Italy's membership of the EU's Schengen passport-free zone, raising the prospect of a showdown with Brussels.

The Italians are showing us it can be done, will it happen in the UK, not a chance in hell.

What does the EU say about this development:-

Last night EU spokesman Pietro Petrucci said: "The Schengen Agreement on free circulation is not modifiable today or tomorrow.

"To have it changed would need the approval of the member states at a full meeting with the European Parliament

Here is the article:-

Italy rounds up hundreds of illegal immigrants as vigilantes set fire to gipsy camps

Hundreds of illegal immigrants were arrested in a nationwide roundup in Italy yesterday, with dozens immediately deported.

The operation followed rising anxiety in Italy over the scale of illegal immigration, with tempers flaring in Naples where vigilantes set alight a Roma gypsy camp.
Silvio Berlusconi was elected to a third term as prime minister last week after promising to crack down on illegal immigrants who are blamed by many Italians for a rising crime rate.
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Xenophobia: The camp blazes after baby kidnap allegations against a Roma girl

In a massive police operation yesterday, police raided addresses stretching from Milan and Turin in the north, down to Rome and as far south as Naples.
A total of 268 foreigners were arrested, all illegal immigrants, according to Italian police who carried out the raids with the help of Romanian officers.
Most of the arrested were held for further checks and possible charges over crimes.
But 53 were immediately booted out after being put on planes to their home countries or taken to land borders.
Police said the raids were part of a crackdown on thefts, break-ins, drug dealing and prostitution which have jumped in recent months.
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Hostility: Italians shouting abuse at the gypsy camp

But there was no doubt it was under political orders from on high.
Those arrested came from Eastern Europe, Greece, North Africa and China.
The policeman in charge of the operation, Francesco Gratteri, told reporters that the sweep "wasn't aimed at any specific category or ethnic group. The sole objective were criminals who have caused a sensation of rising alarm in society".
He added: "If we can put a halt to this then we can stop crime snowballing out of control."
A lot of Italian concern focuses on "nomads" – the term they give to Roma gypsies, mainly from Romania and other Eastern European countries.
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Exit: A gypsy family is escorted from the scene by police

In Rome, police raided the biggest Roma camp and took away around 50 men for questioning. The arrests came during a visit by Cristian David, Interior Minister of Romania whose prime minister warned earlier this week that Italy's crackdown could cause "xenophobia" against other Romanians.
The arrests came as a survey published by Italian newspaper La Repubblica said 75 per cent of Italians thought "nomads" were "a problem".
Those questioned said the best way to deal with the problem was to "clear out gypsy camps and expel those found there".
Illegal Roma camps in Naples had to be evacuated by police this week after locals, angry at an suspected baby-snatching incident involving a 17-year-old Roma girl, set fire to their shacks after marching on the camps carrying banners and shouting: "You are all baby snatchers."
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Police block Naples locals from entering the evacuated Roma camp

The incident sparked warnings of "do-it-yourself justice", with Rome's chief policeman Carlo Mosca saying such behaviour was unacceptable and adding: "Foreigners are not the enemy."
But Milan's conservative deputy mayor, Riccardo de Corato, said the problem was "Italy has 700,000 illegal immigrants but carried out about 1,500 expulsions in 2007.
"The numbers speak for themselves.
"People who want to work are welcome in Milan, but if you want to beg, go and do it in Bucharest."
Umberto Bossi, Reform Minister and leader of Italy's anti-immigrant Northern League party, praised the police raids.
He said: "This dragnet is a positive move and what the people want. People want security and we have to give it to them."
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Roma residents gather before being evacuated to safety from their camp near Naples

He said of the events in Naples: "People do what the political class can't manage."
Interior minister Roberto Maroni, also from the Northern League, is rushing out emergency laws to bring back passport checks on Italy's EU borders.
This is despite Italy's membership of the EU's Schengen passport-free zone, raising the prospect of a showdown with Brussels.
Last night EU spokesman Pietro Petrucci said: "The Schengen Agreement on free circulation is not modifiable today or tomorrow.
"To have it changed would need the approval of the member states at a full meeting with the European Parliament.
"What is possible is for it to be temporarily suspended for 30 days for emergency reasons. As we have had no formal official details of Italy's proposals on Schengen we cannot really comment."

BLEARS AND THE YOUNG MUSLIMS

Gandalf — Fri, 16 May 2008 18:31:41 GMT

Hazel Blears the "Communities Secretary" must have tunnel vision, the only community she seems to be aware of is the Islamic community, she (Blears) has already set up the National Muslim Womens advisory group and now she has set up the Young Muslims Consultative group for 16-21 year old Muslims, this group will have direct access to the people "who make policy".

please note that this article, to the best of my knowledge, is not in the British press

From the article:

"The Young Muslims' Consultative Group is about taking our engagement with this important group to the next level and ensuring that young people have the opportunity to express their thoughts and concerns directly to those who make policy," she said.

Why should groups like this have access to policy makers that the general public do not have, the answer I think is quite simple, we do not matter, our views are insignificant.

There is no threat coming from us, we are not likely to blow up people if we do not get what we want no matter how trivial the request, we probably will not mass on the streets insulting the people of this country and its Government, we do not call for the downfall of our society.

Because of the above reasons we are not taken any notice of at all, if we are to be noticed, if we are to be heard, if we are to be acknowledged as citizens with rights and expectations what are we to do to get recognition, the answer seems apparent, we should threaten to blow things up, we should fill the streets with our discontent at the Government driven Islamification of our country.

This Government is giving into the blackmail of the bomb, the protest and intimidation, they are truly spineless, and yet they still do not realize that Islam will with their backing and promotion destroy them as soon as it gets the chance.

The pretext of setting up this group is "battling extremism" now theres a surprise, of course it will do no such thing, this type of action from the Government only encourages the Muslim because they see the Government backing down all the time and conceding more and more concessions to Islam.

Hizb ut Tahrir in Ilfordabad and the dhimmification of Manchester Police

Gandalf — Thu, 15 May 2008 16:30:44 GMT

Hizb ut Tahrir are as we all know representative of the true Islam, they want global dominance, the rule of the Kalifa, Sharia law and absolutely no infidels in sight, they are banned in Europe and the USA but not here in the UK, the home of Hizb ut Tahrir is Ilford in Essex better known as Iflordabad because if you walk through the streets of Ilford your eyes are assailed by burkad women and bearded men, hearing the English language is a rarity.

Hiz ut Tahrir have held a meeting in Ilford, now do not forget that they are listed as a terrorist group by the Home Office and they are NOT a legally constituted political party but clearly permission was given by the local authority for this meeting to go ahead because it was held in a community centre.

From the Ilford Recorder

'Banned' Islamic group fights for positive outlook

"A HIGHLY controversial Muslim political organization, under constant watch by the Home Office, met in Ilford to discuss ways of responding to attacks on its religion.

About 250 people joined the Stand for Islam gathering at the Ilford Community Centre, Eton Road, Ilford to hear speakers from the local branch of the Hizb ut-Tahrir (Liberation Party).

Attacks on their Religion, an interesting phrase, is is not Hizb ut Tahrir who wants to see the death of any other Religion except Islam? in the meeting Mr Mobeen Anway said "calls were made for the Muslim community to engage in positive dialogue to highlight Islamic ideals as a way of life."

Speakers Akmal Asghar and Naseem Ghani urged Muslims not to stay silent in the face of criticism and ridicule of Islam.

To me this is telling the Muslims to push for more prosylization, push for more concessions to Islam

Speaking of the decision to allow the meeting, Bashir Chaudhry, founder of Ilford Community Centre, said: "In the past, we have stopped them from holding meetings.

"If they are planning to discuss controversial issues which we don't agree with, or which could be damaging to the wider Muslim community, then we won't allow it.

Damage the wider Muslim community, no mention of the other people who live in the community presume ably its OK to damage those people but then what else would you expect Muslims only think of Muslims.

The fact that this abhorrent group of people were allowed to hold such a meeting demonstrates how spineless and dhimmified the Local Authority is, can you imagine the authorities response to a request from the BNP (a legal political party) to hold such a meeting, it would have been flatly refused and vilification would have been public and rampant and no doubt the police would have been involved somewhere along the line.

Speaking of the Police, in Manchester the dhimmification process gathers speed, pray tell I hear you say, Ok I will, the Mr plods of the Manchester police force are to be schooled in the ways of Islam:

Police officers gain better understanding of Islam

POLICE are learning about Islam and the local Muslim community as part of a pilot scheme.

Officers from Longsight and south Manchester were today being briefed by community race relations officer Afzal Iqbal, an imam and members of a local mosque.

Among the topics being discussed were Muslim culture and beliefs, the history of Islam and women in Islam, as well as more difficult issues such as holy war, terrorism and Islamophobia.

Mr Iqbal, who devised the course, said: "Officers need to know about Islam, particularly because of the current climate of Islamophobia and terrorism."

Why do our police have to go through this conditioning process, this is just another way of elevating the Muslim above the laws of this land, will the officer just walk away when called out to a violent domestic argument when the Husband says "oh its ok officer, I'm just beating the crap out of my wife, its an Islamic thing you understand" the odds are he or she will.

Should a young girl go to the police in fear of her life the police will probably turn around and say " sorry luv, its Islamic and we understand that" If a Muslim male is caught raping a young non Muslim female will they walk away saying its OK its an Islamic thing.

All of this kind of "training" is to prepare the ground for the introduction of Sharia compliant laws into our society it has absolutely NOTHING to do with "community cohesion" or the protection of the non Muslim.

Where are we now Part III - Getting close to men or women of power

AjukDD — Thu, 15 May 2008 08:50:51 GMT

I would draw you attention to the Project, the Muslim Brotherhood plan to take over the world, this is not the full document as I have not been able to locate it but it does give you a feel

The Project – Muslim Brotherhood

Point of Departure 1: To know the terrain and adopt a scientific methodology for its planning and execution.

Point of Departure 2: To demonstrate proof of the serious nature of the work.

Point of Departure 3: To reconcile international engagement with flexibility at a local level.

Point of Departure 4: To reconcile political engagement and the necessity of avoiding isolation on one hand, with permanent education and institutional action on the other.

Point of Departure 5: To be used to establish an Islamic State; parallel, progressive efforts targeted at controlling the local centres of power through institutional action.

Point of Departure 6: To work with loyalty alongside Islamic groups and institutions in multiple areas to agree on common ground, in order to "cooperate on the points of agreement and set aside the points of disagreement".

Point of Departure 7: To accept the principle of temporary cooperation between Islamic movements and nationalist movements in the broad sphere and on common ground such as the struggle against colonialism, preaching and the Jewish state, without however having to form alliances. This will require, on the other hand, limited contacts between certain leaders, on a case by case basis, as long as these contacts do not violate the [shariah?] law. Nevertheless, one must not give them allegiance or take them into confidence, bearing in mind that the Islamic movement must be the origin of the initiatives and orientations taken.

Point of Departure 8: To master the art of the possible on a temporary basis without abusing the basic principles, bearing in mind that Allah's teachings always apply. One must order the suitable and forbid that which is not, always providing a documented opinion [? "Il faut ordonner le convenable et interdire le blâmable, tout en donnant un avis documenté"]. But we should not look for confrontation with our adversaries, at the local or the global scale, which would be disproportionate and could lead to attacks against the dawa or its disciples.

Point of Departure 9: To construct a permanent force of the Islamic dawa and support movements engaged in jihad across the Muslim world, to varying degrees and insofar as possible.

Point of Departure 10: To use diverse and varied surveillance systems, in several places, to gather information and adopt a single effective warning system serving the worldwide Islamic movement. In fact, surveillance, policy decisions and effective communications complement each other.

Point of Departure 11: To adopt the Palestinian cause as part of a worldwide Islamic plan, with the policy plan and by means of jihad, since it acts as the keystone of the renaissance of the Arab world today.

Point of Departure 12: To know how to turn to self-criticism and permanent evaluation of worldwide Islamic policy and its objectives, of its content and its procedures, in order to improve it. This is a duty and a necessity according to the precepts of sharia.

THE SECOND POINT OF DEPARTURE
To demonstrate proof of the serious nature of the work.

a- Elements:

Clarity of the principal objectives of the dawa in the eyes of all, as well as clarity of the temporary objectives, necessitates exploitation, channelling and orientation of the energies.

Devote sufficient effort to the service of the workers [for Allah] and coordinate their efforts to the sole and same objective.

Devote sufficient time.

Spend money to the extent possible.

b-Procedures:

Exploit all the energies of the workers to the service of the dawa, each at his level (the criterion of efficiency, given that each must be devoted to the task to which he's assigned).

Mobilise the greatest possible number of supporters and officials.

Collect money efficiently, control expenses and invest in the general interest.

c- Suggested missions:

Carry out a survey of workers (appropriate men and appropriate location)

Establish schedules with the hours of workers and specialists and use their efforts with good judgement and on time (appropriate effort at the right time).

An engagement with economic institutions adequate to support the cause financially.

The Movement should take every care in its future planning to ensure that a number of competent individuals work full-time in all the strategic and important positions, particularly in the fields of science, knowledge, education, information and mass media, politics and planning. The Movement should not remain dependent only on part-time volunteering by persons who have their own jobs that monopolize their time, leaving only snatches on which no major undertaking can be based.

"However, this does not go against the presence of volunteers who devote some of their time and effort to the Movement for Allah's sake, for such contributions are vitally important and greatly useful, as the volunteer base is expansive. All members of the Movement are even supposed to be volunteers working without pay, except for those who have to work full-time for the interest of the Call.
[...]

"However, it is necessary when selecting full-time workers that they should be of various specializations that complement each other, so as to cover all specializations and plug every hole without concentrating on certain specializations at the expense of others, for there has never been undue expenditure without a right wasted in another place.

"Money should be no problem in this respect, for spending money for this purpose is one of the best ways for seeking Allah's pleasure. The necessary funding can be obtained from the resources of zakat (compulsory religious tax) sadaqat, (supererogatory spending for charity), awqaf (religious trusts) and similar funds.

"The interest generated by capital deposited in local and foreign banks may even be spent for this purpose, and we should not shrink from using it on the basis that it comes from a haram source, for it is haram only against the depositor of the capital but halal for use in promoting Islamic interests, at the forefront of which comes the full-time employment of workers for the Islamic movement.

"Faithful workers should not be reluctant to accept an adequate pay that equals what their counterparts draw in other places, so that they may continue to work with satisfaction and not grumble because of the low pay they get. What should count is fair payment, with the reward being neither too generous nor too meager.

"However, it is necessary to choose elements and put the right man in the right place, without favoring this or that, as competence and honesty alone should be the criteria for selection (Truly the best of men for you to employ is the [man] who is strong and trusty) [Surat Al-Qasas: 26]."

THE THIRD POINT OF DEPARTURE
Reconcile international engagement with flexibility at the local level.

a- Elements:

To define the guidelines that everyone [worldwide] must follow.

To leave a margin that provides sufficient flexibility at the local level for the issues that do not conflict with the general lines of the global Islamic policy.

b- Procedures:

The Movement, at a global level, will define the Islamic domain and issues in a general way which will require the engagement of all according to previously defined priorities.

The local leadership will define local issues that come within their prerogative, according to the principle of flexibility and according to previously defined priorities.

c- Suggested Missions

Worldwide Islamic engagement for a total liberation of Palestine and the creation of an Islamic state is the mission which falls to the global leadership.

To establish a dialogue at a local level with those who work for the cause according to the global political lines of the Movement. It is up to the local leadership to define the shape of that dialogue.

THE FOURTH POINT OF DEPARTURE
To reconcile political engagement with the necessity of avoiding isolation, on the one hand, with permanent education and institutional work on the other.

a- Elements

Liberty to function politically in each country according to local circumstances, without however participating in a process which makes a decision which would be contrary to the texts of Sharia.

To invite everyone to take part in parliament, municipal councils, labour unions and other institutions of which the membership is chosen by the people in the interest of Islam and of Muslims.

To continue to educate individuals and generations and to guarantee the training of specialists in various areas according to a previously designed plan.

To construct social, economic, scientific and health institutions and penetrate the domain of the social services, in order to be in contact with the people and to serve them by means of Islamic institutions.

b- Procedures

To study the varied political environments and the probabilities of success in each country.

To plan specialised study missions which will concentrate on useful areas such as communications, the history of Islam, etc.

To conduct feasibility studies concerning various institutions and create them according to priorities established in each country.

c-Suggested Missions

To conduct studies relating to the experiences of political islam and to draw lessons from them.

To give an Islamic policy perspective on the pressing questions of the day.

To keep questions of local importance such as issues concerning workers, unions, etc. within an Islamic framework.

To create a certain number of economic, social, health care and educational institutions, using available means, to serve the people within an Islamic framework.

THE FIFTH POINT OF DEPARTURE
To dedicate ourselves to the establishment of an Islamic state, in parallel with gradual efforts aimed at gaining control of local power centers through institutional action.

a- Elements

To channel thought, education and action in order to establish an Islamic power on the earth.

To influence centres of power both local and worldwide to the service of Islam.

b- Procedures

To prepare a scientific study on the possibility of establishing the reign of God throughout the world according to established priorities.

To study the centres of power, both local and worldwide, and the possibilities of placing them under influence.

To conduct a modern study on the concept of support for the dawa and Islamic law, and more particularly on the men of influence in the State and the country.

c- Suggested Mission

To draw up an Islamic Constitution in light of efforts deployed up to now.

To draw up Islamic laws, civil laws, etc.

To work within various influential institutions and use them in the service of Islam.

To use the work of economic, social, and other specialised Islamic institutions.

THE SIXTH POINT OF DEPARTURE
To loyally work alongside Islamic groups and institutions in various areas and in agreement on a common ground in order to "cooperate on points of agreement and put aside points of disagreement".

a- Elements

To coordinate the Islamic work in a single direction as will permit the laying of the foundations of the growth of Muslim society and dedication to the power of God on Earth.

For each to work according to his capacities in his chosen field and to master it, with loyalty and coordination of effort.

b- Procedures

To study the true nature of Islamic movements, to evaluate their experiences and draw up plans to initiate collaboration among them.

To avoid creating new Islamic movements in a country which already has one; there will be but one movement, serious and complete.

c- Suggested missions

To coordinate the efforts of all those working for Islam, in each country, and to establish good contact with them, whether they work in individuals or in groups.

To reduce the differences that exist between workers for Islam and to resolve their conflicts according to sharia.
"The Islamic Movement should consider itself at the beck and call of every Islamic cause, responding to every cry for help wherever that cry may come from.

"It should stand with Eritrea in its jihad against the unjust Marxist Christian regime that wants to swallow it and keep it as a colony under its rule, with its people as the serfs of the land in feudal systems.

"It should stand by Sudan against the treacherous Christian racist rebellion that wants to impose its racist fanaticism on all the territories of Sudan to remove it from the Muslim Nation and the Arab World.

"It should support the Muslims of the Philippines against the biased Christian regime that seeks to annihilate them, leaving only those who accept the life of slaves who can do nothing to help either themselves or others.

"It should help the Muslims of Kashmir in their struggle for self-determination, until they attain annexation to Pakistan or gain autonomy, so as to foil the conspiracy of the Indian imperialism which is trying to obliterate the province's Muslim identity through non-religious education and encouragement of sin and drug addiction to turn it into a base of conspiracy on Pakistan and the Muslim World as a whole.

"It should support the Muslims of Somalia against the tyrants who kill scholars, persecute the religious and hunt down anyone with religious or intellectual tendencies."

"The Islamic Movement should have good information on all these movements. It should have some sort of presence among their readerships and ranks. It must also work incessantly for their unity and solidarity in order to close the gaps in their ranks and remove their minor disagreements for the sake of greater goals."

Note in particular the Fourth Point of Departure , c-Suggested Mission and the Fifth Point of Departure, b-Procedures and C-Suggested Mission.

David Cameron and the Tory Party

All well and good, now shall we have look at someone in the UK, who seems to say the right things, seems to be an acceptable Muslim face, seems to be well integrated, but the question I have to ask is she really what she appears to be bearing in mind that she is a member of the Tory party, but is also part of a Marxist party and is a Muslim, the contradictions are just amazing, wouldn’t you think that this just ties in so much with someone do the following:

• To work within various influential institutions and use them in the service of Islam.
• To study the centres of power, both local and worldwide, and the possibilities of placing them under influence.
• To conduct a modern study on the concept of support for the dawa and Islamic law, and more particularly on the men of influence in the State and the country.
• To give an Islamic policy perspective on the pressing questions of the day.

So let us have a brief look at Munira Mirza, she is close to David Cameron and was recently sent by him to keep Boris in check in London, note that Boris has actually said that Islam is the problem, though political expediency made him retract those comments.

This is one comment in an article on the Guardian

Although there is some support for sharia, we should be wary of seeing this as automatic qualification for the label "extremist".

But she also said this

Moreover, multicultural policies have encouraged ethnic-minority groups to believe they are in need of special recognition. As your article states, they are more likely to "feel they have less in common with non-Muslims than their parents do". Paradoxically, by insisting on engaging with Muslims as a separate group, the authorities make many of them feel even more excluded.

Please note this article:

http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/05/12/boris-is-entered-by-the-revolutionary-communist-party/

A glamorous young Muslim woman is the latest Cameron favourite to be parachuted in to keep a close eye on Johnson. Munira Mirza, who argues that racism in the UK is greatly exaggerated, is to serve as a cultural adviser to the mayor.

She is the third member of his new team to have worked for Policy Exchange, the organisation behind many of the policies adopted by Cameron’s Conservatives.

Mirza’s appointment will also be viewed as an attempt to neutralise any accusations that Johnson is racist, especially as he seeks to slash grants to fringe ethnic groups, many of which received lavish funding from Livingstone.

Mirza believes race relations policies based on multicultural ideas have been divisive. While the official party line remains that Johnson is his own man, the Tory high command is leaving nothing to chance.
Munira is very clever. She is rather glam, to be frank. And she is a key member of the Revolutionary Communist Party.

For a trainspottery follower of fringe politics, this is very cool. I can think of no other occasion on which a nominally revolutionary communist party has infiltrated a right wing political party. In reality, the RCP aren’t enormously “revolutionary” or “communist”. They’re sort of controversialist libertarians with a love of GM foods, and a strong love of Westphalian notions of national sovereignty. However, they started life as a split from the Socialist Workers’ Party.

When I discussed the involvement with centre-right Policy Exchange with Munira some time ago, she was rather droll. Munira’s line was that it was the Tory Party who were infiltrating the RCP: not the other way round.

Now we have a Communist in the Tory party, which is rather interesting in that the ideological gymnastics of that means that can we take her at face value, is there more to her then a keen wit and the fact that she is attractive too.

And one more link to check out

http://www.socialaffairsunit.org.uk/blog/archives/001779.php

Hilary Clinton and the Democrat Party

There was rumours about Clinton having a lesbian affair with an aide and who or what is this aide, I don’t think that Hilary is a lebian but there is something interesting in this, let’s have a little look shall we, her name is Huma Abedin, I draw your attention to this:

Which gets at another facet of the cult of Huma: She’s something of a mystery, even to the people who have worked in her proximity for years.    Very little is publicly known about her, which of course leaves plenty to talk about. And the rumors abound. According to various accounts from Huma acquaintances interviewed for this story: She’s Lebanese, she’s Jordanian, she’s Iranian, she’s 26, she’s 36, she has two children, she lives with the Clintons. “No one knows anything about her,” said one political aide. “She’s like Hillary’s secret weapon.”    “She is an unbelievably feminine and gentle person, but at the same time she can accomplish so much,” offered Mr. de la Renta. He recalled that she had great style, but hastened to point out that “she’s a Muslim” and “she’s very conservative.”

The back story, as it were, begins 32 years ago in Kalamazoo, Mich., where Ms. Abedin, who declined to participate in this article, lived until the age of 2. Her family then relocated to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, where she lived until returning to the States for college. She attended George Washington University. Her father, who died when she was 17, was an Islamic and Middle Eastern scholar of Indian decent. He founded his own institute devoted to Western-Eastern and interfaith understanding and reconciliation and published a journal focusing on Muslim minorities living in the diaspora. Her mother, a renowned professor in Saudi Arabia, is Pakistani.

http://www.observer.com/node/37040

I freely admit that this is only two people in two large entities, but two very bright attractive women who say the right things, are both devout Muslims and who appear to be well integrated within their societies regardless of Islam, who better to get close to men of power and place them under influence.      Note that they are both seen as rising stars and are trusted.   Of course they could just be two talented attractive people who are doing well and who just happen to be Muslims.

And we should not forget the Muslim male Hesham Islam working as an aide to Gordon England Deputy Secretary of Defense, who was very influential, in fact so much so that he managed to oust a contractor Stephen Coughlin who was educating people in the US defense administration on the real nature of Islam.
I will draw your attention to this: http://www.investigativeproject.org/article/596

Later on after this article we find that Mr Islam had fabricated his history especially in regards to supposed incidents where he said that he was bombed in Cairo by Israel when that never happened and some murky story about being on a ship which was supposedly sunk by Israel.   In fact he turns out to have been a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, what a surprise...

And what about other countries, well in France we have Rachia Dati, again a smart attractive Muslim close to the man in power.

My intention was to do a look across various countries in the West and compare the levels of infiltration based on the Project and I will try to do that next, however I came across the story on Munria Mirza's appointment to London and wanted to draw your attention to the way that the Project seems to be or may be being implemented, this is not to say that either Rachia Dalti or Munira Mirza or Huma Abedin are definately members of the MB, but Hersham Islam was and I leave you to draw your own conclusion from this and how the Project is being implemented

WHEN IS A MURDER VICTIM NOT A VICTIM? REDUX

The Opinionator — Wed, 14 May 2008 20:20:49 GMT

FROM THEOPINIONATOR:

The below is a complete reprint of my post written on 10 July, 2007 immediately after the reports of Keith Brown's murder appeared in the British press.

I am doing this so that you can compare my comments with that of Gandalf's post, written today, regarding the same subject. Gandalf's post is HERE

It is crystal clear that - although more than 10 months have passed and a murder trial is underway - one thing that has not changed with time and evidence - is the appalling media bias against the murder VICTIM - Mr. Keith Brown.

WHEN IS A MURDER VICTIM NOT A VICTIM?

APPARENTLY WHEN HE IS A MEMBER OF THE BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY:

ENTIRE STORY:

http://www.24dash.com/news/7/23889/index.htm
Murdered neighbour 'was BNP activist'
Publisher: Jon Land
Published: 09/07/2007

The man murdered in a neighbour dispute in Stoke-on-Trent last Friday was an activist for the British National Party, according to reports on a number of nationalist websites.

Keith Brown, 52, from Uttoxeter Road, was pronounced dead in hospital after officers were called to reports of a disturbance in Normacot on Friday.

A Stoke-on-Trent man is due to appear in court this morning charged with stabbing his neighbour to death.

Four other men arrested in connection with Mr Brown's death, aged 19, 24, 26 and 32, were released on bail pending further inquiries.

A 14-year-old girl who was also arrested was released without charge.

Mr Brown was pronounced dead after being taken to hospital shortly after 4pm on Friday.

A second man, aged 19, has since been discharged from hospital after suffering minor injuries during the disturbance.

Tributes to Mr Brown have been posted on at least two far-right websites since his death. (OH HORRORS! A BRIT FOR THE BRITISH?! THAT IS A REAL SIGN THAT HE'S THE TROUBLEMAKER & DESERVED TO BE MURDERED!)

A message on the Green Arrow site said: “Keith Brown was a hard working British National Party activist. Our first thoughts go out to Keith's family and friends."

The website has also reported that BNP leader Nick Griffin has offered to attend Mr Brown's funeral.

IT SEEMS THAT THE AUTHOR OF THIS "NEWS" ARTICLE HAS NO PROBLEM IDENTIFYING MR. BROWN AS A MEMBER OF THE BNP - AS IF THAT IS A RED FLAG THAT HE IS A TROUBLEMAKER AND THUS LIKELY CAUSED HIS OWN MURDER.

YET WHAT IS MISSING FROM WRITER JON LANDS EXPOSE' IS THE OBSERVATION THAT THE MURDERER'S ARE ALL MUSLIMS (OH THERE IT IS AGAIN - THAT UNSAYABLE "M" WORD) AND THAT THE 4 MEN AGED 19 - 34 ARE MEMBERS OF A MUSLIM GANG.

AS TO BE EXPECTED THE BBC ALSO LEAVES THE MUSLIM IDENTITIES OUT OF THEIR NEWS STORY BUT THEY DO LIST THE CAUSE OF DEATH:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/staffordshire/6280162.stm

EXCERPT:
"The post-mortem examination revealed the man who died suffered a single stab to the mid-back, police said."

APPARENTLY, IF YOU ARE TO THINK LIKE THE PREVIOUS REPORTER - MR. LAND, BEING A BNP MEMBER IS REASON TO BE STABBED IN YOUR MID-BACK.

DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH WAITING FOR THE NEWS MEDIA TO ACCURATELY REPORT ON THIS COLD BLOODED MURDER. A WHITE BRITISH MAN BEING KILLED BY MINORITES ISN'T NEWSWORTHY AS IT DOESN'T BACK-UP THE FAIRY TALE OF THE NEVERENDING "BENEFITS" MULTICULTURALISM & RAMPANT IMMIGRATION- THAT THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA AND THE EU LIKE TO SPIN.

IF A WHITE MAN IS KILLED BY A POOR, DOWNTRODDEN, MISUNDERSTOOD, UNASSIMILATED MINORITY - THEN THE WHITE MAN IS ASSUMED TO HAVE ASKED FOR "IT". (& BEING HIS A BNP MEMBER BACKS UP THAT DELUSION IN THE MINDS OF THE FAR LEFT LOONS)

FOR THE REAL BACKGROUND STORY GO TO THIS SITE AND YOU WILL READ THAT MR. BROWN WAS REPEATEDLY HARRASSED BY THESE MUSLIMS AND RECEIVED NO HELP FROM THE AUTHORITIES.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=1601

EXCERPTS:

POLICE DISMISS HIS COMPLAINTS EVEN WITH EVIDENCE:

"The female, Asian officer refused to even take the DVD and dismissed Steve’s formal complaint about the continuing assaults on Keith Brown saying that , “she knew who he was”.

MR. BROWN WAS SLAUGHTERED INFRONT OF HIS YOUNG CHILDREN:

"Whilst Keith was remonstrating with these men another Muslim man crept from behind a car and plunged a large knife in his back. Keith never saw it coming, but his three young children did. Having brutally attacked Keith the gang then set about his 19-year-old son leaving him hospitalised."

AND AS A DOG LOVER I FIND THIS ESPECIALLY DISGUSTING:

Last year the brake pipes of Keith’s van were cut and he narrowly avoided a serious accident. Not long after this Keith’s beloved English bull terrier was poisoned to death and his Alsatian puppy mysteriously disappeared.

THIS YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW RACISM AGAINST WHITE BRITISH IS TOLERATED & BELITTLED BY OUR POLICE AND MEDIA.

THE ONLY PEOPLE IN THE UK WHO DO NOT HAVE "HUMAN RIGHTS" ARE THE WHITE BRITISH-ESPECIALLY THE MALES.

ISLAM = PERVERTED SICKO'S

Gandalf — Wed, 14 May 2008 19:12:56 GMT

I do not usually post about things that happen in Iraq but when I read this I was truly sickened, I know that the Religion of Peace is capable of plumbing the depths of depravity and it very often does and therefore we should not be shocked at what they do but even so to use an eight (8) year old girl as a bomb takes some beating.

I know the children are brainwashed by their parents and the children may even think it is normal to get blown up at the age of eight but this demonstrates why this vicious, evil, pernicious, perverted, satanic cult has to be irradiated from the face of the Planet.

ANY belief that sanctions, praises or encourages the brainwashing of children and then blows them up has to be destroyed.

Will we see this happening in the UK, I would not be at all surprised, these people are completely uncivilized barbarians

Here is the article , click on link for full text

Iraqi insurgents use eight-year-old girl as suicide bomber

Last updated at 17:00pm on 14th May 2008

An eight-year-old girl was strapped with remote-controlled explosives and used as a human bomb by Iraqi insurgents in a blast that killed an Iraqi commander earlier today.

An Iraqi captain was killed and seven other soldiers were injured in the explosion which took place in the town of Youssifiyah, south of Baghdad.
The explosives were detonated as the girl approached the Iraqi commander.
A curfew has now been imposed in the area, and American troops are said to be hunting for those responsible.

Now there is another "absolute gem" of "unbiased reporting

Gandalf — Sat, 17 May 2008 09:51:53 GMT

Aaah the British press, the beacon of impartiality, journalists dedicated to exposing the truth and identifying the villains in society, good honest investigative journalism - anybody remember that? those heady halcyon days of Fleet street.

Well they are sadly gone, if they ever existed in the first place, the press today appear hell bent on vilifying the victim and praising the attacker, The Opinionator wrote about a British Soldier who after much abuse and harassment from his tormentors hit back and he is the one who was taken to court and subsequently fined about £1750 some of which was paid to the "victim" as compensation.

Now there is another "absolute gem" of "unbiased reporting this time from the Times Online, once again involving followers of the Religion of Peace.

From the Article - my comments are in bold type

A father of seven allegedly stabbed to death by his Asian neighbour was a British National Party activist who had subjected the family next door to years of racial taunts, threats and violence, a murder trial was told yesterday.

What has the BNP got to do with this, the implication to be drawn from this is : If you are a member of the BNP you are by definition a violent thug and thus guilty of any allegation made against you even when you are dead

Keith Brown's family had helped the far-right party in the local elections in Stoke-on-Trent and Nick Griffin, the BNP leader, attended his funeral, Stafford Crown Court was told.

Would this have been mentioned if the Brown Family had leafleted for the Labour Party somehow I think not, does it matter who they leafleted for?

Mr Brown and his family, none of whom worked, were said to have been jealous of their industrious Pakistani neighbours and to have inflicted a spiral of abuse on them. Habib Khan is accused of stabbing Mr Brown to death with an eight-inch kitchen knife.

This I find truly appalling, this is pure demonization, character assassination, this creates an image of a completely dysfunctional family and at the same time portraying the other family as holier than thou.

I make no comment on the actual case but it appears to me that the dice are loaded against you if you are in a case that involves the Religion of Peace.

Can you imagine the uproar from Equalities Commission and other such organizations if the Pakistani family had been described as the Brown family have been, voices would be screaming from the tops of tall buildings words such as racist, Islamophobe and calling for a retrial because the adverse publicity may affect the Jury's decision.

Let us not forget what Mr Browns Daughter said

Mr Brown's daughter, Bianca Barker, 18, said that Asian women neighbours laughed as she tended to her father as he bled to death on the pavement. Miss Barker said that female members of the family next door appeared to take pride after Mr Khan plunged a meat-cutting knife five inches into her father's back. A videotape was played showing Miss Barker's tearful interview with police two days after her father was killed.

Town Halls should map race and religion to identify tension hotspots, says Hazel Blears

Gandalf — Tue, 13 May 2008 15:37:42 GMT

So we are to be mapped, hot spots are to be identified as are individuals, this mapping is being spun as an anti-terror precaution, the plan is for local authorities to keep records on identified trouble makers this begs the question "what constitutes a trouble maker, this is a huge catch all designed to trap those who speak out or protest about the Religion of Peace and its activities in this country.

I am confident that the true purpose of this mapping is to protect the Muslim and prosecute any dissent shown by non Muslims, why do I say this, it is simple, who was it that blew up the Tube system in London, who is it that marches through our streets proclaiming our death and downfall of our country, who is it that gets released from Prison despite clear evidence that they actively work towards those aims, the answer is Muslims.

It is perfectly clear who is responsible, yet they are not profiled or identified as the group of people who plan and execute their crimes against the population of this country. Common sense dictates that you target those who are known to be a danger to the general public and society at large.

This latest "initiative" is clearly targeted at the likes of you and I and is for the protection of the Muslim.

In the Opinionators latest post(BRITISH SOLDIER ATTACKED BY MUSLIM MOB - GUESS WHO PAYS?) there is a classic example of who would be judged the trouble maker, it would be the British soldier, his name would be "on the list" despite the fact that he had reported the harrassment he had recieved from the so called "victim" and the Police had not taken any action at all.

This is a truly sinister development but true to form the blind British public will abandon any remnance of common sense and aquiesse to this latest bond of slavery.

Town Halls should map race and religion to identify tension hotspots, says Hazel Blears

Thank you Yorkie lass

Blears: Committees will be set up to cut the risk of riots or disturbances

More than 10 million people are to have their everyday disputes, their politics and their business lives checked by new "tension monitoring" committees.

The committees are to be set up to try to cut the risk of riots or disturbances in the aftermath of terrorist outrages or outbreaks of local racial trouble.

They will ask for and file reports on named troublemakers whose political activities are considered to be raising community tensions.

Reports on the behaviour and attitudes of local residents will be collected by community workers, neighbourhood wardens, local councillors and provided by voluntary organisations, according to a paper published by Communities Secretary Hazel Blears today.

It will then be considered by the monitoring committees run by town halls.

BRITISH SOLDIER ATTACKED BY MUSLIM MOB - GUESS WHO PAYS?

The Opinionator — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:26:36 GMT

FROM THEOPINIONATOR:

Some points of interest in reading the below article:

1) The biased headline is written to immediately place the reader against the soldier ie: "REVENGE" attack

2.) No background or effort in finding more information as to when and what were the past "number of attacks" on the soldier - why he was attacked - and by whom (one can postulate easy enough -links)

3) No effort or investigation was made by the reporter or by the police service as to why the police previously refused to help Alan White by not taking further action on finding and arresting the gang of "Asians" who accosted the lone soldier. White had been minding his own business and walking home from the store, when gang member, Ayaz Abdullah, proceeded to punch Alan White in the face - in a unprovoked attack. The excuse that the police needed the victim to provide the attackers names and addresses, before and investigation could begin, is pure rubbish. So the British police now want the victims to do the police work???

4)Thus, at the what amounted to a suggestion by the British police to find out, on his own, who the perpetrators of the assault against him were. Mr. White and his father set out to find the gang of muslims. Upon rather effortlessly finding the gang and calling the police for assistance, the White's car was surrounded by the muslims and the senior Mr. White was attacked. No effort or investigation was made by the reporter or by the police service as to why the police, for a SECOND time did not quickly assist Mr. White and his father who, at this point in time were surrounded by the same gang of muslims while calling for police help. This second failure, by police, to immediatley come to the Whites aid resulted in Alan White's father being beaten so savagely, by the muslims, that he was nearly unconscious and sufferd a fractured jaw and broken nose.

5) Alan White, in what is clearly an act of self defense, used a pool cue to ward off the assailants. But, this is where lo and behold the police finally took some action - and arrested Mr. White for "use of a weapon".

6)Thus a serving soldier, who if need be will risk his life to defend Great Britain, was found guilty for protecting himself and his father NOT for revenge. The second attack on Mr. White was not provoked by any action other than he and his father sitting in a car doing what the police refused to do which was find the muslims who had previously punched him. Clearly, Alan White's use of the pool cue had everything to do with the muslim mob surrounding the duo and savagely beating his father, right infront of him, NOT seeking revenge for a prior assault.

7) If you look at the very bottom of the article - highlighted in red by me - you will see a postscript stating that Mr. Abdullah, the man who started the whole mess, was found guilty of assault and has to spend a whopping 24 hours in an "attendance centre".

Despite all of the above, Mr White was fined 1740 pounds - some of which will be used for victim compensation. Clearly this is an instance where police inaction resulted in placing the REAL victim (Alan White) in greater danger as he was literally told by police that the only way they could help him find the men who attacked him was for White to go out and do the investigative work the police should do. The media bias - as well as the court bias - against the indigenous British is well evident as I have described above.

This is another incident of muslim gangs accosting and harming innocent people in unprovoked attacks and once again being seen as the victims of violence rather than the perpetrators.

entire article - emphasis mine

SOLDIERS REVENGE ATTACK WITH POOL CUE

A SERVING soldier from Brierfield who used a pool cue in a revenge attack has been fined £1,500 by Pennine magistrates.

Alan David White, of Mansfield Crescent, admitted assaulting Ayaz Abdullah causing him actual bodily harm. He was also ordered to pay costs and compensation totalling £225 and a victim support payment of £15

Miss Julie Reddish (prosecuting) said Mr Abdullah had been with a group of friends in Brierfield when a car drove towards them, White got out and hit him over the head with a pool cue. The pair had been involved in a row 20 minutes previously in which White had been assaulted by Mr Abdullah.

Mr Mark Irlam (defending) said White had been subject to a number of attacks which police had not taken action on

On this occasion, he had been returning home from a shop when he was approached by a group of Asian males and hit in the eye by Mr Abdullah. He suffered a black eye, was taken home by his father, the police were contacted and Mr White was told there was nothing that could be done unless they had the assailant's name and address.

White and his father went out to see if they could track down the men and came across them in Chapel Street. They again contacted the police and their car was surrounded by the group. White's father was hit, White got a pool cue from the glove compartment, got out of the car and hit Abdullah to force him away from the car.

"It was clearly excessive. Had he punched him, he would have pleaded not gulity and said he was acting in self-defence. Because of the use of a weapon, he has entered a guilty plea. His father was nearly unconscious and sufferd a fractured jaw and broken nose," said Mr Irlam. "It was sheer frustration at the total lack of action in previous incidents. He offers his apologies to the court, the police and his victim for his actions."

• In a hearing last month, Mr Abdullah admitted assault by beating and was ordered to attend an attendance centre for 24 hours.

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THIS RUDDERLESS SHIP OF FOOLS

Gandalf — Tue, 13 May 2008 11:48:59 GMT

As this country makes its way across the oceans of civilized growth and development it does not take a person of enormous intellect to ascertain that this country is rudderless and is not in any way shape or form proceeding upon a steady mapped and plotted course - it is in effect a rudderless ship, the wind that fills the sails of this ship are by no means its friends because the winds that blow are created by the very people who removed the rudder, the rudder in this case was the voice and will of the people of this country.

The removal of the rudder enables the winds to blow this country off course, we are now in the Sargasso sea, becalmed and floundering - going nowhere, the Sargasso sea is the only sea without shores.

The plight of this country is akin to the plight of the "Ancient Mariner" who as you will recall killed the Albatross and all manner of demons then beset his ship.

The Government of this country have "Killed the Albatross" and this country is now beset by a multitude of modern day demons, the demons of multiculturalism, the EU and Islam.

We are in a modern day ship of fools, who are the fools - we are the fools, we have allowed the powers that be to run amok with our hard won freedoms, we have allowed them to inflict upon us all manner of laws, rules and regulations that reduce us to a level of subservience not seen in this country since the days of bonded serfdom, we have surrendered with ne'er a whimper.

Our borders have been surrendered thus allowing hoards of people - who do not support our culture and way of life - to literally invade our lands, we have forfeited our freedoms of speech and action by our complacency.

The Ancient Mariner eventually finds his way home- to his country, his land, we must do the same, we must take back our rights because we are only custodians of these privileges, if we abdicate responsibility for the safeguarding and maintenance of these privileges they will not be passed on to future generations.

When I say "take back" I mean take back, we do NOT ask permission, we do not meekly fawn in front of Government or any of its Quangos seeking their blessing- we have to take ownership of these rights. we have to say who we allow into our land, we have to say by what code we as a country we stand by.

The killers of the Albatross - our Government, kneel before the altar of Multiculturalism along with their lackeys submitting to foreign powers and abdicating all responsibility for the demise of our country- our land.

We must act quickly, the dissemination of our land is imminent, the EU have already produced plans for the Balkanization of the UK, The rampant hoards of Islam are flooding in encouraged by the EU .

Sadly the majority of the population are more concerned with trifles but there are those who are not and that number is growing, for those people who who are embedded in the inconsequential may I refer you to the following:

"I can easily believe, that there are more invisible than visible Beings in the universe. But who shall describe for us their families? and their ranks and relationships and distinguishing features and functions? What they do? where they live? The human mind has always circled around a knowledge of these things, never attaining it. I do not doubt, however, that it is sometimes beneficial to contemplate, in thought, as in a Picture, the image of a greater and better world; lest the intellect, habituated to the trivia of daily life, may contract itself too much, and wholly sink into trifles. But at the same time we must be vigilant for truth, and maintain proportion, that we may distinguish certain from uncertain, day from night. "

T. Burnet, Archaeol. Phil. p. 68 (1692)

and this from Dante - --``tu stesso, ti fai grosso"
You yourself, you make yourself ignorant/rough/gross/stupid

I finish with this quote

"I'll sing you a sweeter song another day". --Theocritus, I. 145.

Gandalf

Where are we now Part II

AjukDD — Tue, 13 May 2008 08:52:04 GMT

Having returned from holiday which included a trip to Istanbul and seeing first hand a session of Dawa I will continue with the theme that the people at the top (well some of them) do recognise the threat and do have a strategy, in doing this I will expose my own doubts, fears concerns and also my sense that they may be right in part, but also the risk that they take in throwing the baby out with the bathwater, in a previous post I once said that we may start to be successful in turning the Middle East around, but in doing so we destroy our own societies...

I wonder how many people have seen George W Bush getting tetchy with a liberal reporter trying to pin him down on whether we were winning in Afghanistan, based on a previous question and answer session in2006 on Iraq. President Bush got rather annoyed and in his response really laid out what the strategy in the West is. Basically he said it was a long struggle, America is fighting against an ideology of thugs and killers, he even called them Jihadists, which I am sure he did not intend to do, he said that we police it and we try to bring them to democracy. Nothing much different from his strategy laid out after 9/11.

Recently a guest writer posted an essay on Gates of Vienna, in which the author posted his views of our options in Europe.

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2008/04/surrender-genocide-or-what.html
In this he said that the only way that the Islamic threat could be eliminated would be through the following:
1) Inducing Muslims to leave of their own free will,
2) Mass deportations, and
3) Genocide.

As a result of posting this, GOV were kicked out of Pajamas Media network, with Charles Johnson of LGF somewhere in the story.

I think that the article is incorrect, in one important detail, it will not be the Muslims who will suffer from genocide, it will be us, the non-Muslims, Europe will fragment into a patchwork of Balkan like states with populations fighting each other and of course with their birth rate and natural tendency for violence it will be a conflict that we will lose.   However he does touch on this aspect in his article.

I must also point out that the strategy marked out under the heading of In Closing is exactly what I and any right minded person worried about my people, my life, my families lives knowing what I do of Islam would do.   But politicians at that level do not work on the same level as me, they are protected, their families are normally living in secure areas, they have to grapple with the death of many if it turns into a war and the death of fewer if it does not at least in their time in power, they are doing everything possible not to allow it to turn into a shooting war, where the mass of Muslims feel that we are out to get them as Muslims and that they need to fight to defend their faith, a faith which is the only thing that is worth anything to them and our leaders feel that they can change that, perhaps they can, but while we deny the issue of Islam itself we will fail even if we risk the raising of the Islamic masses against us.

The West’s strategy is as follows:

• Develop democracy and liberty in the Muslims world

• Police the Islamic threat in the west, accept terrorists attacks, Islamic inspired rapes and violence as part of society and the price to stop a future war of civilisations

• Use democratic, human rights and legal principles to undermine the extremists

• Use the fact that as Al Queda and the Islamic Jihadists lose men and resources they will recruit people who are more criminal and violent who will undermine their support in the Muslim world.   Note that this has actually happened in Iraq and other areas of the world

• Do not highlight that the issue is Islam

• Try to develop moderate voices in the Islamic community

• Keep a lid on the numerous attempts to kill people in the West, hide the true scale of the problem from the public to prevent non-Muslim reaction which will turn the conflict into a Islam vs infidel one and thus save Islam

• Muzzle, ridicule anyone who says that Islam is a problem

Develop Democracy and Liberty in the Muslim world

Pros

• Many extremists have bluntly told their people that personal liberty and democracy is directly against Islam, as the people as a whole seem to want democracy and personnel liberty as part of the overall feeling to get away from the stifling corruption of Muslims countries this is a own goal on behalf of Islam

• The normal people really do want democracy as a means of getting rid of the corruption in their countries

Cons

• Islam is submission to the will of god only, Shariah is the only law that is acceptable to real Muslims, while Islam is strong it is very difficult to develop true democracy, freedom of expression and personnel liberty

• They vote for Islamic parties as the non-Islamic parties tend to be corrupt and part of the existing leadership of Muslim countries

• We are trying to push democracy, personnel liberty and freedom of expression , while destroying it in own countries, we are not going to set a good example much longer, take the EU as an example

• Most Muslims do not understand that democracy is just part of the equation, democracy is defended by protected freedom of expression and individual rights, until those aspects are understood and accepted then bringing democracy to the Muslim masses will never work.

Police the Islamic threat in the west, accept terrorists attacks, Islamic inspired rapes and violence as part of society and the price to stop a future war of civilisations

Pros

• The Extremist Muslims are pushing the fact that this is a war by the West against Islam, while the only people saying that and acting that way are the extremists, which undermines Islam in the process

• Muslims who are Muslims in name only will become even more disgusted with the acts carried out by Muslims and question Islam, this is happening in the UK, though it is masked by the much greater profile of the extremists

Cons

• Live becomes a lot less pleasant for us infidels, take air travel for example

• Our wives and daughters are at a much greater risk from rape and murder

• The risk of violent crime is greatly enhanced, a Muslim criminal with contempt for his victim is much more likely to use violence against those who he feels are inferior to him and are keeping him down as detailed by the Quran and his conditioning

• There is a risk that the indigenous population begin to react to the extremism that is destroying their societies

• A Muslim in name only may rediscover Islam based on his life circumstances

Use democratic, human rights and legal principles to undermine the extremists

Pros

• We are seen to be sticking to our principles further emphasising the barbarity of Islam
• Prevent the Islamics defining the conflict in terms that best suit them and raise the masses of Muslims in holy war

Cons

• We are unable to get the really dangerous people out of circulation, as a result the indigenous population are more likely to react to the violence

• We risk real damage to our own societies from the failure to remove the most violent extremists

• That the extremists will terrorize and control the Muslim population in the West

Use the fact that as Al Queda and the Islamic Jihadists lose men and resources they will recruit people who are more criminal and violent who will undermine their support in the Muslim world.   Note that this has actually happened in Iraq and other areas of the world

Pros

• This is enormous, because Al Queda were determined to have a military victory at all costs they allowed themselves to alienate their support by acts against follow Muslims who were not deemed to be devout by people who were hypocrites in terms of Islam

• My feeling is that I really can see progress here in that the actions of Al Queda and Shiite Militias have actually alienated many Muslims who just want to get on with their live and have started turning them away from Islam

Cons

• It is extremely costly for us to fight this war, we are using a vast amount of money and we cannot keep this up, it’s one thing to fight a war, it’s another thing to rebuild a country, but to do both...

Do not highlight that the issue is Islam

Pros

• Prevent the Islamics defining the conflict in terms that best suit them and raise the masses of Muslims in holy war

Cons

• Prevent the population in the West from getting behind the governments in dealing with this

• Ignoring the reality and the seriousness of the situation, especially in regards to the huge and threatening third column now in our midst

• Ignoring the impact of the spreading of Islam by non-violent means which will result in violence once they feel able to

• Placing the burden of this conflict on later generations

Try to develop moderate voices in the Islamic community

Pros

• Further weaken the extremists attempt to create a war of civilisations

• Reduce the impact of the call for jihad

Cons

• Islam is itself extreme and anyone who accepts Western concepts is ignored by most Muslims at this point, the proof is to look at the acts carried out by Muslims and review the scripture

• The extremists who are pretending to be moderates are taken by gullible politicians as moderates thus undermining this approach

• Very few Muslims have the guts to stand up against the violence and threats

• Any Muslim who is really moderate is no longer a Muslim

Keep a lid on the numerous attempts to kill people in the West, hide the true scale of the problem from the public to prevent non-Muslim reaction which will turn the conflict into a Islam vs infidel one and thus save Islam

Pros

• Further weaken the extremists attempt to create a war of civilisations

Cons

• Sooner or later they will succeed

• Prevent those Muslims in name only from feeling shame and give them the push to leave Islam or counting themselves as Muslims

Muzzle, fail to protect, ridicule anyone who says that Islam is a problem

Pros

• Further weaken the extremists attempt to create a war of civilisations

• Further destroy our own system of personnel liberty and freedom of expression, and embolden the extremists to push harder

Cons

• Lose all respect from the people who see that Islam is a problem and cannot see why people are persecuted for telling the truth, can you take any one seriously when they say things like:

o Anti-Islamic acts (this is to tie in with the overall strategy of painting Al Queda and their ilk as not being Muslims, but nilhists)

o Islam is a religion of peace

• Failure to protect people leaving Islam will make it harder to weaken Islam

I believe that the strategy will fail for one important reason, Islam itself is extreme, the only moderate aspect about Islam is that some people chose not to follow all of its teachings, in doing so they are rejecting Islam and in not doing anything to help them in getting there we are going to fail, however it is a tightrope in terms of not being seen to be at war with Islam, after all just standing up for your own culture is seen as a warlike act by Islam.

I think that the West could keep doing what it is doing, but make more effort to hinder Islam, block Muslim immigration in any way they can while we deal with those that we have, remove from circulation the extremists and the extremist groups and to reduce the number of Mosques and the like that are the support of this dreadful religion, expose the false-moderates, try to show to Muslims that Islam is a dead end.   Push devout Muslims to return home, but this requires reducing the safety net, and most importantly of all the Left are using the immigrant votes to stay in power, we do not have much time left.   I see signs of this happening as the Elite weigh up the growing unrest in their populations.

If this was also being done then I would feel that we had a chance of success, however in doing this the extremists will be able to say that we are at war with Islam so I guess that this will not happen at this stage.

Finally in reviewing the strategy of the West I have come to one conclusion, the "WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER" 60's crowd are in control, at times we have to fight to defend our freedoms, if we do not then we will lose them, our leaders are terrified of war against the Muslim world and its large population of young men, well let me put it in the bluntest terms, the disparity of man power will get worse as time goes on not better, it would be better if we risked a war of civilisation rather than lose our liberty...

In terms of the success of opening Muslims eyes to the issue of Islam read this for a good example:

http://europenews.dk/en/node/9749

It was interesting when you look at the real impact evangelical Christians have had in North Africa, then when you look at the popes speech in relation to this how he focussed on love and reason and logic and you get a feel for the well aimed attempt to turn Muslims away from violence and to see the light so to speak.   And of course I really liked hearing about that Greek Orthodox priest who leaves Muslim clerics spluttering in impotent rage at his excellent understanding of Islam and how that has resulted in many converts due to a television show beamed in to the Muslim world.

A recent development was the news that the USA has been working for four years to get the Islamic clerics to issue a fatwa banning jihad in terms of Muslim on Muslim violence, with the goal of normalising the situation in Iraq and Afghanistan, it will be interesting to see where this leads.    I can’t help but think that this is a bit of a trap for Islam, that they admit in effect that Jihad is aimed at non-Mulims, and if they refuse to issue this fatwa then they are damning themselves too.   However it does fit in with the point of view that Al Queda are like the Assassins.

The question I keep asking myself again and again, like the paragraph above is are they right not to start a war, a BBC employee posting as John Reid on Biased BBC made the point that it was better that we only fight 1% of Muslims then 3% of Muslims, which is a greater number of potential warriors than the Red Army.   But let’s be blunt about this, if the above strategy fails then we will have war and the longer we wait the more risky it gets, we are suffering from a demographic time-bomb, we are being out-bred and in 15-20 years time their manpower of 19-35 year olds will far exceed us and many of them will be living in our own countries, will our qualitative edge give us the victory then?

Also the various Islamic countries are building up their militaries using their oil and gas wealth.

This brings me now to the Israel question, because if we look at the strategy above, Israel is a great big sore in the West’s attempt to show that we are not at war with Islam, the problem is that no matter how softly Israel acts in trying to maintain its own security the Islamics have managed to paint them as Nazi’s.

I believe that there will be an attack on Israel in the near future, this will force the USA to come to their aid, perhaps just material, perhaps more, but it will enable the Islamics to paint the USA as being at war with Islam, that is their strategy, they will do this as the USA and her allies make ground in Iraq and Afghanistan.   The USA have some assets in the area and I expect that they are gathering intelligence on the deployments made by Hizbullah.

And finally please read this at GOV, I believe that this is the only way we can defend our freedoms, our current strategy alone is not enough, we risk our own socities being destroyed for at best a softening of Islam which will not last.

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2008/05/counterjihad-vienna-2008.html#readfurther

In my next section I will attempt to look into the spreading of Islam in a unified way across the western world.

In the following section I will attempt to paint the future.

West Lives in a Slough of Ignorance About Islam"

Gandalf — Mon, 12 May 2008 16:18:29 GMT

I sometimes wonder if it is me, have I lost the plot or is there something seriously wrong, today I experienced this again, I had just read an article entitled "West Lives in a Slough of Ignorance About Islam"

I proceeded to read it again and came to the conclusion that I had not lost the plot but the Author of this piece had never even found it, here are some excerpts:

But Islam has never spawned anything comparable with Hitler’s systematic genocide of the Jews — indeed throughout its history Islam has been protective of the Jews, regarding them as “people of the book” to whom it had a special responsibility. Nor has it settled other parts of the world and systematically obliterated other civilizations as did Christian Spain with the Aztecs and Incas. Nor have Islamic societies created anything equivalent to South Africa’s apartheid or the racist culture

Just where is this man coming from?

Re Hitler and the Jews, The Mogul Empire during its time in India systematically set about the destruction of the Hindu a conservative estimate of people killed in this time is 70 - 90 million

Islam has been protective of the Jews, plainly wrong, Mohammed's last words before he died were "curse the Jews and the Christians"

The Grand Mufte of Jerusalem was an adviser to Hitler in the best way to kill Jews, The Muslims Backed Hitler because he was killing Jews

nor has it settled other countries and obliterated other civilizations : wrong, this is what Islam does, where shall I start. how about Persia for one, then there was Mesopotamia, oh yes let us not forget Sindh, Afghanistan - Zonastrians and Buddhists were there, they are not anymore, Egypt was peopled by the Coptic Christian, this is no longer the case - they are all but extinct thanks to Islam, the Ottoman Empire tried to colonize Spain but the Reconquista put an end to that, much of Malaysia was Buddhist, the remaining Buddhists are now under threat from Islam, I can go on but you get the drift.

Aparthied or Racist culture: Mohammed called Africans "Raisin Heads", Islam is inherently racist, it always has been

Here is some more from the article:

Muslim countries, according to the UN’s annual Human Development report, have the world’s lowest murder and rape rates. In Tehran, the capital of Iran, and according to the CIA the most important single source of terrorism today, you can go out at 11 or 12 p.m. at night and find families with children picnicing in city parks. When my daughters’ friends ask me where can they safely travel alone in an interesting Third World city I say Cairo. Certainly not Catholic Rio or Protestant Cape Town. Not only are murders and muggings comparatively rarer, there is much less prostitution and hard drug use. Neither is there that much AIDS.

Re Rape, what hes says is probably true purely because there is no such thing as Rape in Islamic countries, the poor female who has suffered Rape is not going to get Justice because four independent males have to witness the event, and as they were probably the ones doing the Raping what chance has she got, secondly, the Islamic male most certainly makes up for it when he arrives in a non Muslim land, Kufr females can be raped, its in the Koran - so thats what they do- RAPE

Re Prostitution : Temporary Marriages, sex slaves in the household need I say more?

I am not sure what planet this man is on but it certainly is NOT planet Earth.